Yes he came to seek & save the lost. But where is this love gospel in the scripture you quote?
If this is the True way, what of all the old divines of every stripe, they had it wrong by preaching against sin & naming names?
"In my preaching of the Word, I took special notice of this one thing, namely, that the Lord did lead me to begin where His Word begins with sinners; that is, to condemn all flesh, and to open and allege that the curse of God, by the Law, doth belong to and lay hold on all men as they come into the world, because of sin." John Bunyan
�The man who does not know the nature of the Law, cannot know the nature of sin.� John Bunyon
"Be cold, sober, wise, circumspect. Keep yourself low by the ground avoiding high questions. Expound the Law truly and open the veil of Moses to condemn all flesh and prove all men sinners, and set at broach the mercy of our Lord Jesus, and let wounded consciences drink of Him." William Tyndale.
"Before I preach love, mercy, and grace, I must preach sin, Law, and judgement." -John Wesley
"Evermore the Law must prepare the way for the gospel. To overlook this in instructing souls is almost certain to result in false hope, the introduction of a false standard of Christian experience, and to fill the Church with false converts... Time will make this plain." -Charles Finney ( I guess time has)
Robbie Flockart, who preached for years in the Edinboro streets, says, It is in vain to sew with the silk thread of the gospel, unless you use the sharp needle of the law.
"Some of my brethren do not care to preach eternal wrath and its terrors. This is a cruel mercy, for they ruin souls by hiding from them their ruin. If they must needs try to sew without a needle, I cannot help it; but I do not mean to be so foolish myself; my needle may be old-fashioned, but it is sharp, and when it carries with it the silken thread of the gospel, I am sure good work is done by it. You cannot get a harvest if you are afraid of disturbing the soil, nor can you save souls if you never warn them of hell fire. We must tell the sinner what God has revealed about sin, righteousness, and judgment to come. Still, brethren, we must not plough all day. No, no, the preaching of the law is only preparatory to the preaching of the gospel" Charles Spurgeon
"Lower the Law, and you dim the light by which man perceives his guilt. This is a very serious loss to the sinner, rather than a gain; for it lessens the likelihood of his conviction and conversion... I say you have deprived the gospel of its ablest auxiliary [most powerful weapon] when you have set aside the Law. You have taken away from it the schoolmaster that is to bring men to Christ... They will never accept grace till they tremble before a just and holy Law. Therefore the Law serves a most necessary and blessed purpose and it must not be removed from its place" -Charles Spurgeon
Bill Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Bill Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Kevin asks > What scriptures teach this Philosophy?Now behold, there was a man named Zacchaeus who was a chief tax collector, and he was rich. And he sought to see who Jesus was, but could not because of the crowd, for he was of short stature. So he ran ahead and climbed up into a sycamore tree to see Him, for He was going to pass that way. And when Jesus came to the place, He looked up and saw him, and said to him, "Zacchaeus, make haste and come down, for today I must stay at your house." So he made haste and came down, and received Him joyfully. But when they saw it, they all complained, saying, "He has gone to be a guest with a man who is a sinner." Then Zacchaeus stood and said to the Lord, "Look, Lord, I give half of my goods to the poor; and if I have taken anything from anyone by false accusation, I restore fourfold." And Jesus said to him, "Today salvation has come to this house, because he also is a son of Abraham; "for the Son of Man has come to seek and to save that which was lost." -- Luke 19:2-10
Bill Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:By the way, David, I am not a supporter of the gay rights movement for the very reasons that you articulate below; however as a Christian I am committed to treating them with dignity and Christian charity. I would like to share a story with you from J.B. Torrance's Worship, Community, and the Triune God of Grace (IVP: Downers Grove, 1996). I read this and could not get it out of mind; it continues to shape my thinking in this area:The Two Hands of God. A colleague of mine for many years, Roland Walls, lives ... in Roslin village, a few miles out of Edinburgh. One day I noticed in his garden a piece of sculpture I had not seen before. He told me about it. A young sculptor, brought up among the Exclusive Brethren, one day confessed to the fellowship that he was gay. As a result, he was asked to leave the Assembly. In his distress, he found his way to the Roslin Community, where Roland found him on his knees in prayer in the chapel. The young man poured out his story and unburdened his heart. At the end of their conversation, Roland simply put his arms around him and gave him a hug! That hug symbolized everything for the man. He knew he was loved, accepted, forgiven. He went back, found a block of sandstone and carved out a figure of the two Adams. They are kneeling, embracing one another. Christ has his head on the right shoulder of fallen Adam, and fallen Adam lays his head on the right shoulder of Christ, the second Adam. The only way in which one can distinguish between the two is by the nail prints in the hands of Christ. That sculptor saw himself in fallen Adam, and in that symbolic hug he saw himself accepted in Christ, the second Adam. There [in that sculpture] one sees in ... Pauline theology ... -- that what was lost in Adam has been restored in Christ. ... It is the biblical concept of "the one and the many" -- that we, the many, can see ourselves accepted by grace in Christ, the one mediator, who fulfills God's purpose -- to gather together all things in Christ, the head (anakephalaiosis) -- the doctrine of "recapitulation" [see e.g., Eph 1.10].Our job, it seems to me, as Christians is not to convict people of their sins; that is the work of the Holy Spirit. Our job is to love them, to accept them, to embrace them, as Roland did the young man, sinners that they are, that they might know the abounding grace and forgiveness of their Lord. I am very confident, David, that if we will content ourselves with doing our part, we shall discover that the Holy Spirit will have little difficulty in doing his.Bill----- Original Message -----From: "Bill Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: <[email protected]>Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 12:53 PMSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Mormons and Street Preachers> In like manner, a homosexual who comes to Christ and no longer commits
> homosexuality should no
> longer be called a homosexual. Do you agree?
>
>
> I certainly do, -- AND NEITHER SHOULD HE BE CALLED A FILTHY DISGUSTING
> PERVERT!
>
> Bill
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 12:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Mormons and Street Preachers
>
>
> > Bill wrote:
> > > The truth is that there are some who
> > > have these tendencies who have not
> > > or are no longer acting upon their
> > > sexual desires. Whether they have
> > > stopped that which was once their
> > > lifestyle, or they have never acted
> > > upon their desires in the first place,
> > > the question remains: Why must they
> > > necessarily be filthy, disgusting perverts?
> > > I think Paul thought they did not have to
> > > be; hence his statement: "And such were
> > > some of you. But you were washed, but
> > > you were sanctified, but you were justified
> > > in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the
> > > Spirit of our God."
> >
> > If an adulterer comes to Christ and no longer commits adultery, do we
> > continue to call him an adulterer? I think not. In like manner, a
> > homosexual who comes to Christ and no longer commits homosexuality should
> no
> > longer be called a homosexual. Do you agree?
> >
> > The reason this is important is because there is this HUGE politically
> > correct lie out there that homosexuals are born that way and that
> homosexual
> > rights is a civil rights issue. Laws are being changed all over the
> country
> > to add "sexual orientation" to their anti-discrimination laws.
> >
> > Homosexuality is defined by behavior just like the terms adultery and
> > fornication. If a female becomes born again, she is still a female, and
> if
> > a black person becomes born again, he is still a black person, but when a
> > homosexual becomes born again, he is no longer a homosexual.
> Homosexuality
> > is a sin, but being female or being black is not. See the difference?
> >
> > Peace be with you.
> > David Miller.
> >
> >
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