Re: [TruthTalk] Authority over nature: Guyana

[Bill Taylor]

----- Original Message ----- From: michael douglas To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 12:58 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Authority over nature: Guyana Michael D: Hey Bill, thanx for the question. This is something we discussed at length last summer into early fall. Browsing the archives might give you a broad picture. I recommend it to you. Incidentally, I did not pray away the whole Carnival, I just got it out of my area. Why would you assume that I prayed evil into some one else's domain by praying away carnival?   If it was because of its evil that you prayed it away from your area, why do you not feel a bit shameful for having prayed it into another area? Did it not leave your town and pitch its tents somewhere else? Why not pray it into bankrupcy, that it could not enter another town? Better yet, why not pray the demons out of those people, that you might then save them? Why, why, why? With powers like this at your/our disposal, why is it so satisfying just to pray it out of town?   And are you suggesting that I should have let it be?   No, I think it is fine to pray about such things. I am suggesting, though, that I see no evidence that it is you who got rid of it. This is like the rooster taking credit for "making" the sun come up: every morning he crows, and every morning shortly thereafter the sun rises in the sky. Hmmm -- smart rooster.   I also detect a suggestion that if I was able to avert a disaster in my area and not in someone else's, that my claim of such averting would be invalid. Am I right there?   No, just curious as to why you did not seize the opportunity to demonstrate these phenomenal powers to your skeptics, the pastors who were "unable to relate to it from [your] point of view." IF you want my "joint" in the body of Christ to get this, I would like to see you demonstrate these powers: why not stand upon your faith and in our presence predict these things with undeniable clarity ahead of time, and not just take credit for them once they have happened? -- this seems fair enough to me.   Bill     . Bill Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Michael, I have a question for you: If you and you alone prayed away the Carnival, why didn't you and you alone pray away the Gasparilla parade? Is there a territorial principal at play here, something like, you can do it on your own turf but not on another's? Please share relevant passages. I'm thinking we don't really do much, if all we can do is pray evil into someone else's domain. With power like this, why not eradicate it? Again, relevant passages please.   Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: michael douglas To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 3:09 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Authority over nature: Guyana Michael D: Very interesting indeed, Izzy. As you said,if true, what a testimony of divine providence...  Thank God for His mercy.   Interesting to read your statement about our not having rights, here. While that may be true, sometimes we hae to resist the bully (enemy) from throwing us off course, or trying to overthrow the will of god in our lives and even in our communities. I'll give an example: Many years ago, after returning home to TnT from Tampa, I found myself confronted with a situation which I found very undesirable. In our community, one of my close neighbours had begun hosting a Carnival parade on our street while I was in the U.S. Now Carnival here is somewhat like Mardi Gras, and seen as very undesirable by most Christians. Well, I decided I needed to stop it. I therefore used the believers authority of what I allow is allowed and what I forbid is forbidden, and the practice was discontinued. Of course, up to today, no one but I (and now TTers) would know why the activities ceased. One thing you know I hold strongly is that we believers have the right to determine what kinds of things prevail in our 'garden'. I want to be able to press further and further into that realm and to encourage others to do the same. This is by no means to diminish what God did for those Christians, or any one else. I remember meeting with a group of pastors (invited to attend by David Miller). They were very concerned about the Gasparilla parade commerating the pirates etc that coloured the history or the area. I tried telling them that they have the authority in Christ to come against that celebration, but they seemed unable to relate to it from that point of view, yet they bemoaned the advent of the activities. We have a similar problem in TnT. Believers deplore the carnival celebrations, but don't seem able to come together in one accord and demand that the mountain be removed. I pray that we all really get it in the Body of Christ.   P.S. I just found out today that the Prime Minister of Grenada was due -last week- to visit the apostle in the U.S. (Baltimore) whom God has been using to call the nation to repentance. I understand that there was alot of pre-visit security checks etc. This is very interesting indeed. God must have have gotten something through to the PM of Grenada through the Ivan disaster. I'll keep you folks up-to-date as I get more info. ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Michael D, I�m always so joyful to hear from you!  Thank you for the updates.  Today I received this email from a friend, and if it is true it shows that our Lord can still protect His own from the wind and waves today:   Subject: Tsunami testimony   God Protects His own! We know that 80% of the town of Meulaboh in Aceh was destroyed by the Tsunami waves and 80% of the people also died. This is one of the towns that was hit the hardest. But there is a fantastic testimony from Meulaboh. In that town are about 400 Christians.  They wanted to celebrate Christmas on December 25th but were not allowed to do so by the Muslims of Meulaboh. They were told if they wanted to celebrate Christmas they needed to go outside the city of Meulaboh on a high hill and there celebrate Christmas. Because the Christians desired to celebrate Christmas the 400 believers left the city on December 25th and after they celebrated Christmas they stayed overnight on  the hill. As we all know the morning of December 26 there was the earthquake followed by the Tsunami waves destroying most of the city of Meulaboh and thousands were killed. The 400 believers were on the mountain and were all saved from destruction. Now the Muslims of Meulaboh are saying that the God of the Christians punished us for forbidding the Christians from celebrating Christmas in the city. Others are questioning why so many Muslims died while not even one of the Christians died there. Had the Christians insisted on their rights to celebrate Christmas in the city, they would have all died. But because they humbled themselves and followed the advice of the Muslims they all were spared destruction and can now testify of God's marvelous protection. This is a testimony of the grace of God and the fact that as believers we have no rights in the world. Our right is come before God and commit our lives to Him. Our right is kneeling down before the Lord almighty and commit our ways to Him. He is our Father and is very capable to care for His children. Praise the Name of the Lord.   ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun!