Re: [TruthTalk] Albert Einstein & Karl Barth

[Judy Taylor]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh yeah, and King James was an Evangelical Christian.   The Bible speaks of "judging"  and gives instruction on two differing levels.    The first is that judgment we make of others.   We are told to judge those within the fellowship of the saints  --   but there is a limit to this judgment --- the actions of the indvidual.    jt: We are supposed to judge sin in the Church body and deal with it so that we may enjoy the presence and power of God in our midst.     Not the destiny of the individual.    Even when we "disfellowship" a disciple, we are told to continue to entreat him as a brother.    And then,  there is the destiny issue  --   reserved for the judgment of God Himself.   That is is His job.  The words used to speak of this judgment imply the IMPOSSIBILITY of this act [of judgment] on our part.    It is not that we are not supposed to  --   rather, it is that such is IMPOSSIBLE.    What remains as an issue of judgment, then?     jt: Ourselves.  If we judge ourselves and deal with our own stuff, God won't have to do it - and we will not be judged with the world.   Not simply the judgment of the actions of others as mentioned above.   There is further limitation.   For when we commit to that judgment,  we are ever mindful of our own failings  (Romans 2) .   When the Lord  (that would be Jesus) tells us that the judgment we issue to others is incurred by ourselves  --  the only lesson  implicit in this caution is that of brotherly love.    jt: I don't think so JD. When we judge others after the flesh (which is not judging righteous judgment) we break God's law and in effect curse ourselves.  Blessings and curses are still operative. (see Deut 28 & 29).     If judgment at times is necessary;   if judgment as to eternal destiny is not of our opinion at all;  if judgment of another opens the door to personal admission  --   then, that which is given to us as a responsiblity  (those who are spiritual give help to those who are weak) must be done in the greatest of humility and kindness  because we hope to receive this very attitude from God when our judgment takes place.     jt: What we are to judge in our own lives and when helping a weaker brother/sister in the lives of others is "sin" because this is what we are to separate ourselves from.  However, certain ppl are strangely silent about this issue - why?  When it is so important to God and it should be important to us also (to deal with it the right way) ..      When we judge the destiny of others, we show ourselves to be ignorant of the expressed will of God on this point and in as much danger as those whom we criticize.    That IS the biblical message.  Pastor J