May I ask you all a question: what in all of creation is not
positionally -- and by that I mean ontologically -- in Christ?
Darkness and sin; there is no darkness in
Him and "Let anyone who names the name of Christ depart from iniquity" I
get the idea that you ppl who are heavily into the incarnation do not take
these things into consideration at all so holiness is not an
issue..
I don't really know what the faith movement that
Judy mentioned means when they speak of positional truth, but I know
that the Bible tells us that we are all, including all creation, in
Christ.
Sure everything is held together by the Word
of His Power but why does the creation still groan as it waits for
the manifestation of the sons of God?
Much too much is made of separation; that is Greek dualism: Don't believe it! If there is any
separation from God, it is not existential.
I agree that much too much is made of Greek
on this forum... Sin will cause separation from God no matter what the
culture.
We have our existence in Christ. That is where we
are ontologically positioned; that is where we have our being. To exist in
exclusion to Christ would be to be gods ourselves, having the power of
existence in our own nature. That, my friends, is an impossibility. No,
the separation is in our minds; I believe it is a figment of our imagination,
a fearful projection which tells us that we have been cut off and excluded
from God and that we must find a way to get back to him (or her, or it); this
is called "religion"; it comes from our "fallen" mind.
Then to your way of thinking Satan
is in Christ also along with his demons since they too are created
beings and God is so loving???
It is not true. The truth is, the separation, though
ontologically false, has a relational dynamic: we feel
separated when we (1) deliberately exclude "God" from our lives, or (2)
believe lies that tell us that we are excluded from him. In other words,
it is our fallen minds that tells us we are separated from God.
If you are not separating yourself from sin
and putting on Christ daily - then "believe it!" You can't take all of
those spots and wrinkles you are clinging to on into the Kingdom of God ....
no darkness is tolerated there.
Don't believe it! We must stop trying to get ourselves and
others back to God: we are all in Christ -- how much more "back to
God" can we get? Rather we must work out our theology from within the
risen Christ.
What irony - claiming to be within the
risen Christ and working things out from there while ATST minding earthly
things and behaving so much like the devil.
If you are interested in going further with this, I have much
more to say. Bill