Re: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's Wrath

[Judy Taylor]

On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 07:27:35 -0600 "Caroline Wong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Dear Kevin; Thank you for your post on Strong's Hebrew definitions of the word ra. Of the possible English choices the KJV translator had when translating Isaiah 45:7, he picked the wrong one. To say that God creates evil is to go against what the bible teaches about God and it blasphemes God.   jt: Caroline if you are going to correct Isaiah 45:7 then you will need to correct a lot of the other Prophets & Patriarchs also for eg: Job - "thou speakest as one of the foolish women. What? shall we receive good at the hand of God and shall we not receive evil? Job 2:10 Job - "his brethren, sisters & aquaintances bemoaned him and comforted him over all the evil that the Lord had brought upon him Job 42:11 Moses - "behold I set before you this day a blessing and a curse" Deuteronomy 11:26 (the curse is evil) Moses - "See I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil" Deuteronomy 30:15 Amos - "thence will I command the sword, and it shall slay them; and I will set mine eyes upon them for evil, and not for good" Amos 9:4b Jeremiah - "Therefore thus saith the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel; Behold I will set my face against you for evil, and to cut off all Judah" Jer 44:11 Jonah - "God saw their works that they turned from their evil way and God repented of the evil that he had said that he would do unto them and he did it not" Jonah 3:10.   This is what God's hate is like: When I contemplate evil, nurse a grudge or dwell in anger, He is not there. His presence is gone.   jt: I don't think so Caroline. A born again believer has the Spirit of God indwelling and He does not leave the first time they contemplate that stuff. The Lord knows it was a way of life for many years and He is patient.  However, if it resumes as a way of life again after conversion - the status quo may change.   This is because hate is the opposite of God's being and when God hates, He is not there.   jt: Of course He is still there and there are a lot of things God hates. This is why "the fear of the Lord is to hate evil" Proverbs 8:13 Here are seven that he finds an abomination (along with the abominations of the pagan nations surrounding Israel, the ones that he drove out disinherited and had killed) for starters: 1. He hates a proud look 2. A lying tongue 3. Hands that shed innocent blood 4. A heart that devises wicked imaginations 5. Feet that are swift in running to mischief 6. A false witness that speaks lies 7. He that sows discord among brethren   The problem is that I may end up entertaining another presence, another person.   jt: Like another gospel along with a different spirit?   David recognized this risk when he sinned with Bathsheba and got found out. He saw what happened to Saul when the Spirit left him. "Take not your Holy Spirit from me," he prayed (and taught Israel to pray.)   jt: Israel couldn't pray the above prayer Caroline.  The Promise was not been sent (for the people) until Pentecost. David had an anointing under the Old Covenant because he was chosen to be Prophet and King.   Man's hate and man's wrath seek to destroy and depersonalize the another person. It's a mistake to think of God's hate and wrath in the same way. We hate according to who we are. Some people take out baseball bats and get violent; some stew and mutter curses. God, who is love, absents himself.   jt: Don't think so Carolyn; we should always remember that we do not war against flesh and blood.  We war against wicked spirits in the heavenlies who inhabit flesh and blood and God empowers us to win the battle.  The sad part is that most of the Church is not in it.   Grace and Peace, Judyt