Re: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's Wrath

[Caroline Wong]

Kevin!!   I didn't know you knew psychological terms and concepts!!   Actually, I know Judy isn't wrestling but I was hoping she would. Many theologians have wrestled with those two passages I gave her. I was hoping it would pique her curiosity, cause her to ask others, read some commentaries, wonder how the Jews who do not have God's final revelation in Jesus worked it out, look at it from various angles etc. The last thing I expected was for her to slip it into her theological framework without a burp. :-)   Perhaps someday she will ruminate on it. Hope springs eternal.   Love,   Caroline ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 6:46 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's Wrath jt: I'm not wrestling with anything Caroline, I have no problem with the two verses.   Maybe Caroline is projecting her own inner "wrestling" with belief in the word of God onto you. She can not fathom your faith in God & His word.   Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:     On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 22:02:37 -0600 "Caroline Wong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: jt: The "anger of the Lord" is Satan Caroline; because he is the one who executes God's judgment (the curse). He may have incited David at a weak moment but he would not be permitted to force him to do anything against his will so it was David's choice and David's sin.   Caroline: Jesus revealed to us that we are at war against Satan and his kingdom. Jesus came to proclaim the good news of the coming of the kingdom of God and he showed it by healing, casting out demons and raising the dead. It was a direct invasion into the Enemy's territory, a direct slap in the face. When the Pharisees accused him of casting out demons by the authority of Beelzebub, he said he could forgive anything they said about him but those who blasphemed the Holy Spirit, who looked upon the work of the Spirit and said it was Satan's, are guilty of an unpardonable sin.   jt: I am not disputing any of the above Caroline but we are not dealing with New Covenant reality - we are discussing David King of Israel under the Old Covenant, who in a weak moment yeilded to the temptation to take a census which he knew was wrong (he later confessed it as sin and Joab his general tried to talk him out of it). This cost him dearly and 70,000 men lost their lives over it..  What I am saying is that it was Satan (the anger of the Lord) who presented the temptation and God permits Satan to carry out the judgment.   Caroline: So I'm going to send you back to the two passages. If we saw Satan working and thought it was God, then we were deceived. If we saw God working and said it was Satan - that's unpardonable.   jt: IOW it's good not to try to play God because we may just wind up like Job's comforters who technically had their ducks in a row but misjudged Job's situation because they were ignorant of the fact that God was allowing him to be tested .. Now Caroline who wanted to test him to begin with?  And who had to give permission so that it could happen?   2 Samuel 24:1 [KJV] And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah.   1 Chronicles 21:1 [KJV] 1And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.   Now, I always accept "I don't know" when people come together to wrestle with tough biblical passages. It might be the truest thing said that night!Love, Caroline   jt: I'm not wrestling with anything Caroline, I have no problem with the two verses. It's your concept of Satan and his power that I would like to know about... so are you saying that it was God who told David to number Israel (which would have been in violation of His own Word) and then went on to judge David for being obedient?  What kind of confusion is that?   Grace and Peace, Judyt     Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Sign up for Fantasy Baseball.