Re: [TruthTalk] John 16:13 fg. - Perhaps it's focus is WHO not so much WHAT

[Caroline Wong]

Thanks Izzy and Kevin for your replies. I'm getting the emails really out of order and I think I sent one that might not be appropriate on this thread anymore. It probably doesn't matter as I didn't receive it in my inbox or Kevin's reply.   So as children of God, we're chastened but we're never under his wrath. In other words, one can tell if one is a child of God or if one is outside by whether we're experiencing chastening or wrath.   Now, I'm sure everyone on TT has experienced God's chastening. So will quite a few who do not call themselves Christians.   Anyway, how do you know it's God you're hearing and not Satan whipping you to steal your joy, to destroy your relationship with God or to make you hate yourself? We love others out of the love we receive from God. We can't generate goodness, love or life from within. If Satan can foster poison that, he will.   Love,   Caroline ----- Original Message ----- From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 12:30 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] John 16:13 fg. - Perhaps it's focus is WHO not so much WHAT PS  I guess in this illustration about Gretchen I was playing the same role as the Holy Spirit does for us adults.  Maybe that is what Grandparents are--Comforters and Teachers?  J Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ShieldsFamily Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 12:10 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] John 16:13 fg. - Perhaps it's focus is WHO not so much WHAT   Good questions from Caroline, and sublime answers from Kevin.  I cherish God�s chastenings more than gold and worldly pleasures!  They refine my heart and clear a path between us for closer intimacy.  Over Christmas while my son, Todd, was here with his family he had to correct 6 yr old Gretchen for something she had done.  She was crying, so I snuggled her on my lap and kissed and loved on her.  I whispered in her ear why Daddy was angry with her�because he loved her and didn�t want any harm to come to her, so he had to punish her so she wouldn�t do that any more.  I talked to her until she really understood why Daddy was upset with her.  When she nodded that she understood, I explained how very much Daddy loved her, and how much it hurt him to have to punish her, and how happy he would be if she would tell him she was sorry and hug him.  Do you want to do that?  Gretchen�s little chin trembled and she said Yes.  Then she slid off my lap and went to her Daddy and sorrowfully whispered I�m sorry Daddy, and hugged him.  Then they sat and held each other lovingly for the longest time.  This is a picture of how I feel after I have been chastened by my Heavenly Father and return to Him with a contrite heart.  He embraces me, and holds me in His protecting arms for the longest time.  Then, and only then, I am able to return peacefully and joyfully to what He has gifted me to do.  Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Deegan Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 9:56 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] John 16:13 fg. - Perhaps it's focus is WHO not so much WHAT   When I recieved Him He gave me power to become a son of God. JN 1:12 Before that I was outside of his family & continuously under his Wrath & Condemnation. At that point I was Adopted into His family. I can never be UNadopted and I will never AGAIN abide under His Wrath! PTL! To whom He has adopted he Chastens those of outside that family are none of His. Those Adopted SONS Gal 4:5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. are judged and chastened NOT Condemned DU 8 Thou shalt also consider in thine heart, that, as a man chasteneth his son, so the LORD thy God chasteneth thee. Those others outside the family are CONDEMNED 1 Co 11:22 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. Hebrews 12 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not? But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye BASTARDS, and not sons. Just like a GOOD Father, God corrects us when we are wrong if you are never corrected by God you better check your pedigree! 2 Sam I will be his father, and he shall be my son. If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod Caroline Wong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Kevin;   The key to this verse is to recall the times when God's wrath abideth on us. The times when God was angry with us like the time He was angry with Miriam and gave her leprosy and said it was like being spat in the face by her father. The last few times when God was angry with you, did you consider yourself a Christian? Were you a believer or had you rejected Him? What does that say about us and about God?   Love,   Caroline ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 1:53 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] John 16:13 fg. - Perhaps it's focus is WHO not so much WHAT   LOL so you figured out what it meant. There are no other INTERPRETATIONS, even for those who want to weasel out from under the weight of God's word. Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Kevin:I would not wish to interpret the heart of God from a single verse. LOL Nice try at entrapment though. ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 29, 2005 12:44 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] John 16:13 fg. - Perhaps it's focus is WHO not so much WHAT   Lance Please give just ONE ALTERNATE INTERPRETATION of this text: JN 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:     On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 05:22:17 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: As Jimmy Durante used to say:"Everybody wants to get into the act." And, so we should but, with more epistemological humility.   "Anyone who is an interpreter of any text interprets that text from some sort of ideational perspective.Everybody stands somewhere. There's no one who can stand in a neutral objective point in interpreting texts. To pretend so is simply a pernicious fiction." Richard B. Hayes - Public Lecture - New Zealand - 2004)   jt: So Jimmy Durante is your "fount of wisdom" Lance? (you have quoted him numerous times) and ALL scripture is FOR private interpretation IYO?  I say that one who approaches God's Word humbly and without a preconceived epistemology to protect is not driven to interpret anything and is open to the Spirit of Truth.   We  read the text of Scripture differently and diversely. We read the texts of one another similarly. Other that saying:: 'you are of your father, the devil', how are we to account for and insofar as is possible, rectify this?   jt: Not everyone on TT does this Lance,  I for one don't always write AMEN when I agree, I just rejoice that a brother or sister is posting Truth in balance and in context (there are those two words again) I say we should just tell it like it is. There is a Christ and an anti-Christ (in place of); a spirit of truth and a spirit of error. God is not confused nor does He contradict Himself - Truth will stand when all else fails.   Among those gifted and discerning participants dwelling hereon, might some suggest a way forward other that requesting that one of the now thoroughly polarized camps simply 'take a walk' leaving the other to live in harmony and agreement?   jt: I say - let's wait and see.  Eventually His angels will gather the "tares" out of the Kingdom and we will have our answer without the need to speculate (of course it will be too late for those on the wrong side) and in the meantime we can learn how to love the unlovely while we wait for Jesus to bring it all together.   Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site!