It was tongue in cheek, DaveH -- ironic, too, since
I'm one of the few here who could say it that way.
So you wrote
"Any parent who would not
send their wicked son to the damnation of hell would be a wicked
parent."
And
how is this "tongue in cheek?" To me it sounds like another slam at
DavidM?
How would it be a "slam" at DavidM? He is the
one who wrote it.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 7:13
AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Narrow way not "
loving"?
It was tongue in cheek, DaveH -- ironic, too,
since I'm one of the few here who could say it that way.
So you wrote
"Any parent who would not
send their wicked son to the damnation of hell would be a wicked
parent."
And how is this "tongue in cheek?" To me it sounds like
another slam at DavidM?
Oh, and the Paul Hill twist is interesting. We're
to consign our wicked children to hell's damnation, but Paul Hill was taking
vengeance into his own hands while doing the same to a wicked abortionist --
and that is wrong. Hmmm.
Yes it is wrong to bomb someone
else's property and shoot physicians. Where have you been? Doesn't
your doctrine of the "incarnation" include this physician and the others
who work at these Clinics?
Sin has always been a big deal to
God, it incurs His wrath and it spreads so stoning a rebellious son was
supposed to keep it in check when Israel operated as a theocracy.
Under the New Covenant
in Christ God does not require us to literally stone the
rebellious until they are physically dead - but lawlessness and
rebellion will cause spiritual death with the result that they will
be just as cut off from the assembley and will not inherit God's
Kingdom.
Today we are dealing
with a spiritual separation and hopefully, like the Prodigal they will
have time to repent ... (remember the brother Paul turned over to
Satan for the destruction of the flesh - with the hope that he
would repent before the Day of the Lord?).
It seems to me that "Christians" want to talk tough and sound righteous -- but do nothing, and this so the blood will be on their Lord's
hands. Bill
Who is saying "do nothing?" We
should be doing righteousness while allowing God to be God in our
own lives as well as in the lives of others ...
judyt
DAVEH:
Wow! I've been rebuked for something prior to actually reading
the original post for which my presumed thoughts are found less than
charitable. Hmmmmmm........OK Bill. However, I'm not
sure if you said it tongue in cheek, or if you really meant what you said
in a serious note.
As I now ponder those words
(written by DavidM???)..........
"Any parent who would not send their wicked
son to the damnation of hell would be a wicked parent."
...........it now occurs to me (thank you Bill for
bringing this to my attention) that DavidM is probably TT's most prominent
example of a Christian eager to condemn a person to eternal torture.
Before any TTers get their noses bent out of shape, let me explain.
DavidM has several times mentioned that he
believes we should be administering capitol punishment for those who break
the Mosaic laws that require capitol retribution. (Correct me if
I've misunderstood your position on this, DavidM, or if I am putting words
in your mouth.) For example, in the case of adultery, DavidM would
prefer a punishment of stoning, which would then cause the offending
person to depart on their journey to hell prematurely (than if they had
died of natural causes years hence.) I doubt there would be any
other TTers who would share DavidM's enthusiasm (if that is the proper
word) for such strict and harsh judgments. Conclusion....Is not
DavidM more eager than other TTers to see to it (via execution) that some
sinners are sent to hell for transgressing?
So.......in a post conclusion, those Christians (who are described as
wicked parents) who do not feel compelled to carry out a righteous
judgment that speeds one off to a hellish physical eternal torture are
less eager to consign the enemies of God to hell than righteous
Christians. Isn't that the kind of thinking that got Paul Hill in
trouble?
That brings up another
question....What do you think of Paul Hill, DavidM? Do you see him
as a Christian doing the Lord's will, or do you see him as a misguided
Christian nut case?
Is my logic on this
flawed? And please note....I'm just thinking out loud on this.
I'm not accusing anybody of anything, nor am I trying to be
offensive. I'm just exploring a line of thought using a couple of
real world examples.
Bill Taylor wrote:
DaveH wrote > So I'm not
sure why any TTers would take exception when I suggest that there
are Christians who are eager for people to be consigned to
the burning torture of hell. What have I said that is in
error?
David Miller responds
> Speaking for myself, I took exception primarily with the idea
that some on TruthTalk have this perspective.
"Any
parent who would not send their wicked son to the damnation of hell
would be a wicked parent."
Maybe DaveH reads words like
these and infers from them an eagerness on the part of certain
Christians to consign others to the burning damnation of hell.
Shame on you DaveH for being so
presumptuous.
Bill
-----
Original Message -----
Sent:
Wednesday, April 06, 2005 9:38 AM
Subject:
Re: [TruthTalk] Narrow way not " loving"?
DaveH wrote:
> So I'm not sure why any TTers would take
> exception when I suggest that there are Christians
> who are eager for people to be consigned to the
> burning torture of hell. What have I said that is
> in error?
Speaking for myself, I took exception primarily with the idea
that some on TruthTalk have this perspective.
DaveH wrote:
> I really don't think it is a rare occurrence to hear
professed
> Christians say such things. And, I'd be very surprised
if you
> do think it is rare.
Yes, it does seem rare to me. I'm not sure I can ever
remember a believer ever saying such a thing. I have heard
believers many times warning others that they will burn in hell if
they do not repent, but I'm not sure if I have ever heard a
believer tell somebody that they HOPE they burn in hell.
Peace be with you.
David
Miller.
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