It was tongue in cheek, DaveH -- ironic, too,
since I'm one of the few here who could say it that way.
So you wrote
"Any parent who would not
send their wicked son to the damnation of hell would be a wicked
parent."
And how is this "tongue in cheek?" To me it sounds like
another slam at DavidM?
How would it be a "slam" at DavidM? He is
the one who wrote it.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 7:13
AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Narrow way not
" loving"?
It was tongue in cheek, DaveH -- ironic, too,
since I'm one of the few here who could say it that way.
So you
wrote
"Any parent who would
not send their wicked son to the damnation of hell would be a wicked
parent."
And how is this "tongue in cheek?" To me it sounds like
another slam at DavidM?
Oh, and the Paul Hill twist is interesting.
We're to consign our wicked children to hell's damnation, but Paul Hill was
taking vengeance into his own hands while doing the same to a wicked
abortionist -- and that is wrong. Hmmm.
Yes it is wrong to bomb someone
else's property and shoot physicians. Where have you been?
Doesn't your doctrine of the "incarnation" include this physician and
the others who work at these Clinics?
Sin has always been a big deal
to God, it incurs His wrath and it spreads so stoning a rebellious son
was supposed to keep it in check when Israel operated as a theocracy.
Under the New
Covenant in Christ God does not require us to literally stone the
rebellious until they are physically dead - but lawlessness and
rebellion will cause spiritual death with the result that they will
be just as cut off from the assembley and will not inherit God's
Kingdom.
Today we are dealing
with a spiritual separation and hopefully, like the Prodigal they will
have time to repent ... (remember the brother Paul turned over to
Satan for the destruction of the flesh - with the hope that he
would repent before the Day of the Lord?).
It seems to me that "Christians" want to talk tough and sound righteous -- but do nothing, and this so the blood will be on their
Lord's hands. Bill
Who is saying "do nothing?" We
should be doing righteousness while allowing God to be God in
our own lives as well as in the lives of others ...
judyt
DAVEH:
Wow! I've been rebuked for something prior to actually
reading the original post for which my presumed thoughts are found less
than charitable. Hmmmmmm........OK Bill. However, I'm
not sure if you said it tongue in cheek, or if you really meant what you
said in a serious note.
As I now ponder those
words (written by DavidM???)..........
"Any parent who would not send
their wicked son to the damnation of hell would be a wicked
parent."
...........it now occurs to me
(thank you Bill for bringing this to my attention) that DavidM is
probably TT's most prominent example of a Christian eager to condemn a
person to eternal torture. Before any TTers get their noses bent
out of shape, let me explain.
DavidM
has several times mentioned that he believes we should be administering
capitol punishment for those who break the Mosaic laws that require
capitol retribution. (Correct me if I've misunderstood your
position on this, DavidM, or if I am putting words in your mouth.)
For example, in the case of adultery, DavidM would prefer a punishment
of stoning, which would then cause the offending person to depart on
their journey to hell prematurely (than if they had died of natural
causes years hence.) I doubt there would be any other TTers who
would share DavidM's enthusiasm (if that is the proper word) for such
strict and harsh judgments. Conclusion....Is not DavidM more eager
than other TTers to see to it (via execution) that some sinners are sent
to hell for transgressing?
So.......in a post
conclusion, those Christians (who are described as wicked
parents) who do not feel compelled to carry out a righteous judgment
that speeds one off to a hellish physical eternal torture are less
eager to consign the enemies of God to hell than righteous
Christians. Isn't that the kind of thinking that got Paul Hill in
trouble?
That brings up another
question....What do you think of Paul Hill, DavidM? Do you see him
as a Christian doing the Lord's will, or do you see him as a misguided
Christian nut case?
Is my logic on this
flawed? And please note....I'm just thinking out loud on
this. I'm not accusing anybody of anything, nor am I trying to be
offensive. I'm just exploring a line of thought using a couple of
real world examples.
Bill Taylor wrote:
DaveH wrote > So I'm not
sure why any TTers would take exception when I suggest that there
are Christians who are eager for people to be consigned to
the burning torture of hell. What have I said that
is in error?
David Miller responds
> Speaking for myself, I took exception primarily with the
idea that some on TruthTalk have this perspective.
"Any
parent who would not send their wicked son to the damnation of hell
would be a wicked parent."
Maybe DaveH reads words like
these and infers from them an eagerness on the part of certain
Christians to consign others to the burning damnation of hell.
Shame on you DaveH for being so
presumptuous.
Bill
-----
Original Message -----
Sent:
Wednesday, April 06, 2005 9:38 AM
Subject:
Re: [TruthTalk] Narrow way not " loving"?
DaveH wrote:
> So I'm not sure why any TTers would take
> exception when I suggest that there are Christians
> who are eager for people to be consigned to the
> burning torture of hell. What have I said that is
> in error?
Speaking for myself, I took exception primarily with the idea
that some on TruthTalk have this perspective.
DaveH wrote:
> I really don't think it is a rare occurrence to hear
professed
> Christians say such things. And, I'd be very
surprised if you
> do think it is rare.
Yes, it does seem rare to me. I'm not sure I can ever
remember a believer ever saying such a thing. I have heard
believers many times warning others that they will burn in hell if
they do not repent, but I'm not sure if I have ever heard a
believer tell somebody that they HOPE they burn in hell.
Peace be with you.
David
Miller.
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