Re: [TruthTalk] Narrow way not " loving"?

[Dave Hansen]

David Miller wrote: DaveH wrote: DavidM has several times mentioned that he believes we should be administering capitol punishment for those who break the Mosaic laws that require capitol retribution. (Correct me if I've misunderstood your position on this, DavidM, or if I am putting words in your mouth.) You are putting some words in my mouth here, Dave. DAVEH:  My apologies, DavidM.  I was just trying to summarize what I understood to be your beliefs based on previous discussions with you. What I believe is that our laws should reflect the same standard of righteousness that the law of Moses reflects. Therefore, adultery and homosexuality should be capital offenses. There is more that can be said about how this is administered, but let me just leave it alone for now by saying that I believe God's law is perfect. DAVEH:   Hmmmmmmm........you do leave us pondering a little mystery about that.....but I won't press it. DaveH wrote: Conclusion....Is not DavidM more eager than other TTers to see to it (via execution) that some sinners are sent to hell for transgressing? No, I am not eager at all. I love mercy. I have worked with murderers and I am not eager to see them executed. Do I think that we should do away with the punishment for crimes? No. As an individual, I love mercy and seek to save those who are lost, but that does not mean that I disagree with God's judgments. I recognize his righteousness in passing his judgments as he has. DAVEH:  Perhaps there is a difference between the judgments, and the execution of those judgments.  As you know, I find the punishment presumed by many Christians to exceed the nature transgression. DaveH wrote: So.......in a post conclusion, those Christians (who are described as wicked parents) who do not feel compelled to carry out a righteous judgment that speeds one off to a hellish physical eternal torture are less eager to consign the enemies of God to hell than righteous Christians. Not exactly. I am no more eager at the prospect than you are, but because of God's law, I recognize that this is because of my iniquity. DAVEH:  ???  You lost me on that one, DavidM.  Are you saying that IF you were in better tune with God's law, THEN you would be eager for God's judgment to be executed?   I think I may be misunderstanding you on this. DaveH wrote: That brings up another question....What do you think of Paul Hill, DavidM? Do you see him as a Christian doing the Lord's will, or do you see him as a misguided Christian nut case? I wrote to Paul Hill in prison. I concluded that Paul Hill was not a nut case, but rather a broken arrow. I do not believe he was doing the Lord's will, and I went to the prison when they executed him because there were about 60 other Christians there who considered him a martyr for Christ, and I wanted to try and persuade some of them that they were wrong to support him. DAVEH:   Thanx for sharing that. DaveH wrote: Is my logic on this flawed? Yes, because it ascribes motivation to why I agree with the Torah that is not there. I have no eagerness for judgment on anybody. DAVEH:   I understand that, DavidM.  Yet the net effect is that in carrying out such judgments (if it were possible to do so in a speedy manner as might have been done in OT times), the executed transgressor loses the opportunity to have a change of heart...in effect, repent and come unto Christ.  While that may not seem like a conscious eagerness on your part, from my perspective it seems like you would be in favor of shortening the window of repentance time available for the offender.  Hence my suggestion of eagerness to send somebody to hell.  I am drawing that conclusion based on my understanding that you (as do most other TTers) believe that the opportunity to repent ends with death.     Therefore, I would think that you would want to see guys like PH live to a ripe old age, giving them time to reflect upon their crimes and ponder the need for Jesus in their life.  To not want to extend an opportunity for salvation to such condemned (to death) prisoners seems like an eagerness to send such to an eternal torture that you call hell.  Do you understand now why I am philosophically suggesting you are eager to send folks to hell, DavidM? Peace be with you. David Miller. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.