Re: [TruthTalk] Sounds of Hell

Tue, 12 Apr 2005 06:35:57 -0700

So, was Paul translated into another time-space within our universe? Did he enter an alternate reality/universe bodily? Or was he describing a spiritual space that he visited spiritually?
 
The Medievals read that scripture and theorized that things become more perfect the higher up (in space) you go. They could look up at the night sky and believe they were looking at the unchanging perfect realm of God. Then astronomers noted stars coming into existence or disappearing or having erratic orbits.
 
Then the Modern age began and we reworked that verse to mean something else. We can't locate heaven/hell in physical realms because there are less and less physical realms we haven't visited or looked at with our instruments. First heaven is where we are. Second heaven is the realm of the angels/demons. Third heaven is where God dwells. Then we added that we can visit the second and third heaven in prayer, worship or warfare. Then we say apparently angels and demons can visit the other two heavens as well. Satan appeared before God in Job. And, of course, God can do whatever He wants.
 
So now the thinking is that the three heavens are separate but interpenetrated. Anyone else want to get in on the super expansion of that one story? :-) C.S. Lewis says hell is locked on the inside and wrote an entire book on heaven and hell that I think is the best. It's called the Great Divorce. I always imagine people picking it up thinking it'll help them through a divorce and saying, what the....? as they start reading it.
 
Love,
 
Caroline
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Judy, don�t fret; Lance probably doesn�t get it when we say his theology makes us �Throw UP� either. J Izzy

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 4:49 AM
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Sounds of Hell

 

Duh!!

What does CAUGHT UP to the THIRD HEAVEN mean Lance?  To me this (2 Cor 12:2)

tell us that heaven is up rather than down and that there are three of them.  judyt

 

 

On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 05:37:04 -0400 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> This scripture demonstrates nothing. Up? I guess that's your point.
> The 'sun
> also RISES.'
>
> May I assume that you and Izzie are 'one' are the point of hell at
> the
> center of the earth?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: April 11, 2005 21:15
> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Sounds of Hell
>
>
> > Lance wrote:
> > > The fabled (non-biblical)
> >
> > non-biblical?
> >
> > 2 Corinthians 12:2
> > (2) I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in
> the body,
> I
> > cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God
> knoweth;) such
> > an one caught up to the third heaven.
> >
> > Lance wrote:
> > > ... notion of a three decker universe still prevails though
> false.
> >
> > Why do you say it is false?
> >
> > Peace be with you.
> > David Miller.
> >
> >
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