Re: [TruthTalk] Stay Single Young Man

[Caroline Wong]

Knowing Nicky Gumbel and N.T. Wright from the Church of England, I'm not at all worried.   Love,   Caroline ----- Original Message ----- From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 10:12 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Stay Single Young Man I share the sadness Judy expresses about all of the “Royal” family.  I watched the wedding of C and C and wished I could be wishing them happiness, but instead I just felt great sadness for them and despaired of God ever blessing their union.  I also thought about how very lost everyone in that family is, on both sides.  And I thought that if Queen E. is the “head” of the Church of England, that church must be dead, indeed. Thank God that he can bring forth Believers out of such a spiritually arid land, but there are fewer and fewer of them.  Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Wong Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 7:34 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Stay Single Young Man   The Princess of Wales was pretty messed up too. A high power, high pressure marriage of convenience/love of two wounded children. We all need saving - every single day of our lives.   Love,   Caroline   While we're at it, I think the rest of the family was pretty messed up too. But there is so much good and so much glory in that tiny nation. Some of the greatest evangelists, missionaries and theologians came from there. Some of the greatest social reformers came from there. Our modern ideas which includes no slavery, protection of workers, education for all came from there. Remarkable. It has to be God.   I wonder if the Royal family is aware of spiritual warfare? They are defender of the faith and the head of the nation. Surely they must come in for more than the average person's share of spiritual lies and attacks. I hope English Christians pray for them daily. ----- Original Message ----- From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 7:14 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Stay Single Young Man       On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 07:50:54 -0500 "Caroline Wong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: LOL Judy! I wonder what God said to Isaac and Rebekah the morning after.   What would be wrong with Isaac & Rebekah's union, they had the blessing of both families and she went willingly.    For the longest time the State did not govern or legislate marriage. They had to do that when our societies got more complicated. I haven't done any research in this area but when did State sanctioned marriages happen? Was it because English law allows only legitimate sons to inherit with the first born one getting the main title plus the lands that went with the title?   They probably started it to get some kind of tax, whenever the State gets involved it has to do with power or money. However we know that marriage is ordained by God and that the marriage agreement is the closest idea we have in our generation to that of covenant.  Under Levitical law if a man lay with a maiden he had married her.   Someone should write a book about how primogeniture has shaped society. King Richard II became king by declaring his brother's two sons illegitimate because it was discovered that King Edward V was betrothed(!) to another before his marriage. Apparently in those days, betrothed people could have church approved sex and it was the equivalent of marriage without the ceremony.   British Kings were for the most part totally immoral and pretty much gave in to their carnality and lust and did what they wanted to They were 'defenders of the faith' in name only and took any female that appealed to them.   I can see why that tradition had to change. I can imagine some cousin of Princes Will and Harry saying, "your dad was betrothed to _____ before he married your mom so you guys are illegitimate and I'm the heir apparent." and they replying, "oh yeah and your grandfather......" Love,  Caroline   No kidding; there is already speculation about Harry's paternity and Charles' behavior has been disgraceful. Apparently some uncles of his messed him up big time. One encouraged him to research the occult and another told him to sow wild oats and play the field.  This along with his loveless childhood produced an emotional wreck of a man who had nothing to give his bride in 1981 but his infidelity.  How tragic and what a horrible example to his sons.   From: Judy Taylor   How does God determine what is fornication and what is not?  I would think this would be the important part because fornicators DO NOT inherit his Kingdom.  Adulterers don't either.    judyt   On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 23:56:56 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't know what I think about living together without a legal ceremony.   I suppose that if the couple has made a conscious  commitment to one another they are "married."   I mean, the state does not tell them to separate.    It seems to me that there is a difference between living together and shaken up.   I like what Caroline wrote, below.  Jd In a message dated 4/11/2005 5:36:00 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:                                                                                                                  Pros for legal marriage 1) legal protection and rights including survivor benefits, inheritance, insurance etc. 2) tax breaks 3) teens can't contract serial marriages/divorces behind their parents backs. Some are probably doing it anyway but they know such marriages are not accepted.   When teens fall in love they: - honestly and wholeheartedly believe it'll last forever - honestly and wholeheartedly believe it's God's will - will believe that stats that say teen love and teen marriage is temporary does not apply to them   If the above three are not issues, then sure, no reason to get marriage sanctioned by State. But then again, we have to remember that everyone going to the altar never thinks they'll need State protection from the person they are swearing to love forever and ever.   Love,   Caroline