jt:
Do you hate him JD
because he speaks the truth to you?
Not even
close -- hatred expects and desires harm. I hope only
the best for King David. I was quite taken with David in the
beginning.
jt:
What happened to change your mind - I can't see that he
has changed? Calling him King is sarcasm, so you are not walking in
love toward him.
If David is as
gifted with others and he is in his understanding of me
-- he needs to take up golf.
jt: You do the same with me JD. I have
to say the same thing over and over ad nauseum and you still misquote and
misunderstand constantly... but sigh! Love is patient and since God
has been so longsuffering with us, we have no right to demand
... If you don't agree with him
then at least raise a rational objection with a basis in
scriptural or other grounds
These personal attacks are a
downer - they don't edify anyone. jt
That I
do..
jt: I must have missed it then.
I've not seen a well thought out scriptural argument to anything David has
written from you or Lance only ridicule, sarcasm, and derogatory personal
evaluations.
JD your "immersion"
is running thin.......... what happened to all your pious talk?
In
a message dated 4/20/2005 7:34:26 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
This is a true statement, John, but I'm not
sure you understand it.
If this sentence
stood alone, Judy, no criticism would be due. But,
David has majored in condescension on so many occasions that his
sentence, here, opens the door to criticism.
jt: He says he is "not sure" so why
not just explain that you do understand it and then tell him what your
understanding is?
DM: I think we all have agreed previously that the
one who is perfect in love does not sin.
David thinks that
he can manipulate the discussion with statements such as this
one. He uses this tactic fairly often. The fact of
the matter is this, "we" have never agreed that one who is
perfect[ed] in love does not sin.
jt: Why not, don't you believe 1 John
3:9 is included with the rest of scripture? Also why are you always
looking for "tactics" I don't see this at all in what DM
writes.
David, you miss
Judy, and others do not understand what it means to be "falling short of
the glory." THAT, I believe, is one of the central issues in
the continuing debate between the Two Camps. Gideons Gospel
Crusaders, the A Team, Camp Solidarity, the Righteous
Triad holds to the biblical teaching that we have been perfected by
Another -- that righteousness is, in deed, a desire of
God; so much so that, while he waits on our efforts at same,
He has declared us to be righteous because of faith
!!!!!
jt: I do understand what missing the
mark means JD and I'm sure DM understands this also - Where
we differe is that you are claiming that Jesus did it all, that everything
you stand in is His. Whereas my belief is that, He paid the price and made
the way but now we are supposed to walk in it. Faith without
corresponding actions is considered by God to be dead - So when we love
Jesus and believe what He says we obey Him and obedience
is really the bone of contention here.
The B Team, those
who have taken the fun out of Fundies, Camp Justice, the
Inspired Interpreters of the Whats Happening Now Church of the Not So
Eternal Firstborn, they prefer the teaching that God is not
only limited but stymied in His ability to save mankind;
salvation is going to heaven because we do the right things; and
hell is a ponding basin for Gideon's Gospeleers. Faith verse
works. The oldest conflict in the church's long and
storied history.
jt: In your mind
maybe JD. I don't struggle with that controversy at all - never have.
Obedience is not works, it is the natural outgrowth of "saving"
faith. If your faith is of the other variety. Oh
well!! Sorry about that.
What would happen if
the Triad Collection were not here? You guys would be tearing
each other up -- because each of you has a "list of
essentials" that differes with the others and you have not a clue on how
God wants you handle those differences. As long as Bill,
Lance and Company are here, it is allows you(all) to forget that
you, individually, agree with no one !!!
