In a message dated 4/21/2005 5:19:09 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Do you hate him JD Not even close  --  hatred expects and desires harm.  I hope only the best for King David.  I was quite taken with David in the beginning.because he speaks the truth to you? If David is as gifted with others and he is in his understanding of me  --   he needs to take up golf.   If you don't agree with him then
at least raise a rational objection with a basis in scriptural or other grounds That I do.. These personal
attacks are a downer - they don't edify anyone.  jt
 
On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 04:23:48 -0700 (PDT) Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

JD your "immersion" is running thin.......... what happened to all your pious talk?

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In a message dated 4/20/2005 7:34:26 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

This is a true statement, John, but I'm not sure you understand it.  If this sentence stood alone,  Judy,  no criticism would be due.  But,  David has majored in condescension on so many occasions  that his sentence, here,  opens the door to criticism. I think
we all have agreed previously that the one who is perfect in love does not
sin. 
David thinks that he can manipulate the discussion with statements such as this one.   He uses this tactic fairly often.   The fact of the matter is this,  "we" have never agreed that one who is perfect[ed] in love does not sin.    David, you miss Judy, and others do not understand what it means to be "falling short of the glory."   THAT, I believe, is one of the central issues in the continuing debate between the Two Camps.   Gideons Gospel Crusaders, the A Team,  Camp Solidarity,  the Righteous Triad  holds to the biblical teaching that we have been perfected by Another  --  that righteousness is, in deed,  a desire of God;  so much so that, while he waits on our efforts at same,  He has declared us to be righteous because of faith !!!!!     The B Team, those who have taken the fun out of Fundies,  Camp Justice,  the Inspired Interpreters of the Whats Happening Now Church of the Not So Eternal Firstborn,   they prefer the teaching that God is not only limited but stymied in His ability to save mankind;   salvation is going to heaven because we do the right things;  and hell is a ponding basin for Gideon's Gospeleers.    Faith verse works.   The oldest conflict in the church's long and storied history. 


What would happen if the Triad Collection were not here?   You guys would be tearing each other up  --   because each of you has a "list of essentials" that differes with the others and you have not a clue on how God wants you handle those differences.    As long as Bill, Lance and Company are here, it is allows you(all)  to forget that you, individually, agree with no one  !!! 


David  -- I most certainly do understand the passage.   I stopped reading after two sentences,  David.  
The first sentence reveals a continuing need to exhalt yourself at the expence of others.  The second
sentence show that you have little grasp on reality.  Have a good evening.  JD




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