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This is ONE understanding of the matter, albeit
and, admittedly, the most widely held ONE.
May I take a moment to pay you a compliment? Your
demeanour has been, on the whole, most gracious in the last while.
thanks,
Lance
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Sent: April 24, 2005 05:24
Subject: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Hell
From: "Lance Muir" < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> IMPLICATIONS
IMPLICATIONS IFF He (Jesus) wasn't communicating what YOU think He
was communication then, what will you do?
I just found Elsman's response to BillW concerning hell
written a year ago today which you may find interesting; he makes a good
argument and I like his presentation ..... all from scripture - This is one of
his finer moments :-) So WDYT? jt
BILL,
YES, LET'S ALL HEAD FOR THE CITY OF THE
NEW JERUSALEM , ALL ON THIS FORUM.
RESPECTFULLY, YOU HAVE A TOUGH SCRIPTURAL CASE TO PROVE THAT THERE IS A
SECOND-CHANCE TO BE SAVED FROM SIN:
A. AFTER WE DIE.
B. AFTER THE "DAY OF THE LORD", IF WE ARE ALIVE AT
THAT TIME.
C. CERTAINLY, AFTER THE "NEW JERUSALEM" COMETH DOWN WITH ITS
RIVER OF LIFE.
I ASK YOU TO RE-EXAMINE REV.21: 6-8, WHEREIN THE DIE IS CAST,
I.E.
THE SINNERS SHALL "...HAVE THEIR PART IN THE LAKE WHICH BURNETH WITH FIRE
AND BRIMSTONE, WHICH IS THE SECOND DEATH."
THUS, I DID NOT SEE THE
"LAKE OF
FIRE" DEALT WITH IN YOUR VERY CREATIVE ANALYSIS OF
POETIC LICENSE, AS SOME WOULD SAY. SURELY, THE SINNERS WON'T BE LOUNGING
AROUND OUTSIDE THE CITY WALLS OF THE "NEW JERUSALEM", SOME SEEKING TO BE SAVED
AT THE LAST SECOND BY LAPPING LIVING WATER OF THE RIVER OF
LIFE.
INDEED, IT IS VERY CLEAR FROM REV. 22:11 THAT :
"...HE THAT IS
UNJUST, LET HIM BE UNJUST STILL, AND HE WHICH IS FILTHY, LET HIM BE FILTHY
STILL...."
IN OTHER WORDS, STATUS IS SET FIRMLY, NEVER TO CHANGE WHEN WE
GET BEYOND DEATH TO JUDGMENT, AS HEBREWS REMINDS US ( "...IT IS
APPOINTED UNTO MEN ONCE TO DIE, AND THENCE COMETH THE
JUDGMENT...").
ALL THOSE MORMON AND CATHOLIC PRAYERS FOR THE DEAD---AND CEREMONIES AND
MASSES AVAILETH NOT. THE DIE IS CAST AT DEATH.
IN SHORT, IF YOU EVER SEE A SINNER THAT YOU KNEW IN THIS LIFE , AS HE IS
HEADING FOR THE LAKE OF FIRE, YOU CAN EXPECT HIM TO BE ANGRILY CURSING GOD,
NOT COVETING THE RIVER OF LIFE WATERS----EVEN THOUGH WATER WOULD BE A BLESSING
IN THAT LAKE, WHERE THE WORM DIETH NOT, AND THE FIRE IS NEVER QUENCHED.
SINNERS ARE MORALLY INSANE IN A ROMANS 3 SENSE. SUCH IS THE
ALIENATION OF THE UNREPENTANT SINNER FROM HOLINESS-----EVEN IF, AS IS THE
CASE, THE CHRISTIAN'S ESSENTIAL HOLINESS IS VICARIOUS, SUBSTITUTIONARY AND
PROXY, VIA THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB JESUS THAT TAKETH AWAY OUR SINS.
HALLELUJAH!!! THAT IS THE WOW, WOW, WOW!!!---THAT HE WOULD DO THAT FOR
US!!!
----ELSMAN, THE LAWYER ARGUING HIS CASE FOR RIGHT-DIVISION OF
SCRIPTURE, FINELY-TUNED.
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