Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Hell

Sun, 24 Apr 2005 14:07:25 -0700

They that hate me without a cause are more than the hairs of mine head
WOW there just might be some OT precedent. Or was this added also?
 
Why is it that the Religious" "LOVE" crowd is always so judgemental and have a word of knowledge at that. Since you got it from "the Spirit" it must be right. How foolish
 
Amos 5:10 They hate him that rebuketh in the gate, and they abhor him that speaketh uprightly.
 
I know that a modern 21st century Christian is always positive always sweet like you. Too many sweets cause Diabetes!

Correction is grievous unto him that forsaketh the way: and he that hateth reproof shall die.

I am not ANGRY just hateful and that NOT without a cause!

The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.

PS 97 Ye that love the LORD, hate evil

I have hated them that regard lying vanities: but I trust in the LORD.

The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.

I have hated the congregation of evil doers; and will not sit with the wicked.

Do not I hate them, O LORD, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee? I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies.

Through thy precepts I get understanding: therefore I hate every false way.

Have I sinned in my words or just my attitude as you see it?
Should I tone it down, be a nice modern effeminate christian?
I guess you would have really been offended by some of those old timers.
Even the Methodists.

Caroline Wong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
In high school, we were taught there is only one answer to math equations and that there is a law of non-contradiction. Later we learn electrons and light are both particle and wave and that math equations can give you a range of answers or no answer at all.
 
Kevin, as your sister, I feel compelled by the Spirit to tell you that you're an angry person and you enjoy being angry. This is dangerous. 'nuff said.
 
Love,
 
Caroline
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Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 7:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Hell

You may like Coke I may like Pepsi
BUT
There is only ONE correct answer to a math equation
There is only ONE correct formula in physics
Reality is unrelenting.
What is true for you is also true for me.
It is a good thing you sell books not design bridges!
Engineering "mistakes" cost dearly, so do Theological ones!
 
Or are things different up there in Canuckastan?

Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
And that, Kevin, would be your INTERPRETATION of Scripture, would it not? Do we now have two 'infallibles' on TT? (I  mean only with respect to this issue)
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Sent: April 24, 2005 08:09
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Hell

Hey we call all be right!
Except for ONE thing that gets in the way
REALITY

Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
This is ONE understanding of the matter, albeit and, admittedly,  the most widely held ONE.
 
May I take a moment to pay you a compliment? Your demeanour has been, on the whole, most gracious in the last while.
 
thanks,
 
Lance
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Sent: April 24, 2005 05:24
Subject: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Hell


From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
IMPLICATIONS  IMPLICATIONS  IFF He (Jesus) wasn't communicating what YOU
think He was communication then, what will you do?
 

I just found Elsman's response to BillW concerning hell written a year ago today which you may find interesting; he makes a good argument and I like his presentation ..... all from scripture - This is one of his finer moments :-)   So WDYT?  jt

BILL,
YES, LET'S ALL HEAD FOR THE CITY OF THE NEW JERUSALEM , ALL ON THIS FORUM.


RESPECTFULLY, YOU HAVE A TOUGH SCRIPTURAL CASE TO PROVE THAT THERE IS A SECOND-CHANCE TO BE SAVED FROM SIN:


A. AFTER WE DIE.
B. AFTER THE "DAY OF THE LORD", IF WE ARE ALIVE AT THAT TIME.
C. CERTAINLY, AFTER THE "NEW JERUSALEM" COMETH DOWN WITH ITS RIVER OF LIFE.


I ASK YOU TO RE-EXAMINE REV.21: 6-8, WHEREIN THE DIE IS CAST, I.E.

THE SINNERS SHALL "...HAVE THEIR PART IN THE LAKE WHICH BURNETH WITH FIRE AND BRIMSTONE, WHICH IS THE SECOND DEATH."


THUS, I DID NOT SEE THE "LAKE OF FIRE" DEALT WITH IN YOUR VERY CREATIVE ANALYSIS OF POETIC LICENSE, AS SOME WOULD SAY. SURELY, THE SINNERS WON'T BE LOUNGING AROUND OUTSIDE THE CITY WALLS OF THE "NEW JERUSALEM", SOME SEEKING TO BE SAVED AT THE LAST SECOND BY LAPPING LIVING WATER OF THE RIVER OF LIFE.

INDEED, IT IS VERY CLEAR FROM REV. 22:11 THAT :
"...HE THAT IS UNJUST, LET HIM BE UNJUST STILL, AND HE WHICH IS FILTHY, LET HIM BE FILTHY STILL...."
IN OTHER WORDS, STATUS IS SET FIRMLY, NEVER TO CHANGE WHEN WE GET BEYOND DEATH TO JUDGMENT, AS HEBREWS REMINDS US ( "...IT IS APPOINTED UNTO MEN ONCE TO DIE, AND THENCE COMETH THE JUDGMENT...").

ALL THOSE MORMON AND CATHOLIC PRAYERS FOR THE DEAD---AND CEREMONIES AND MASSES AVAILETH NOT. THE DIE IS CAST AT DEATH.

IN SHORT, IF YOU EVER SEE A SINNER THAT YOU KNEW IN THIS LIFE , AS HE IS HEADING FOR THE LAKE OF FIRE, YOU CAN EXPECT HIM TO BE ANGRILY CURSING GOD, NOT COVETING THE RIVER OF LIFE WATERS----EVEN THOUGH WATER WOULD BE A BLESSING IN THAT LAKE, WHERE THE WORM DIETH NOT, AND THE FIRE IS NEVER QUENCHED.

SINNERS ARE MORALLY INSANE IN A ROMANS 3 SENSE. SUCH IS THE ALIENATION OF THE UNREPENTANT SINNER FROM HOLINESS-----EVEN IF, AS IS THE CASE, THE CHRISTIAN'S ESSENTIAL HOLINESS IS VICARIOUS, SUBSTITUTIONARY AND PROXY, VIA THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB JESUS THAT TAKETH AWAY OUR SINS. HALLELUJAH!!! THAT IS THE WOW, WOW, WOW!!!---THAT HE WOULD DO THAT FOR US!!!

----ELSMAN, THE LAWYER ARGUING HIS CASE FOR RIGHT-DIVISION OF SCRIPTURE, FINELY-TUNED.

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