On the difference between 'dying the death of a 1,000 qualifications' and, acknowledging the possibility that an 'understanding' quite (quite, quite, quite) different from your own just might be the 'correct understanding'. Is this a gracious, tender and, diplomatic post or 'the sound of an uncertain trumpet'?
----- Original Message ----- From: "Caroline Wong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: April 30, 2005 01:11 Subject: [Bulk] Re: Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christians--real or imaginary, or, Bap tism 4 dead? > Hello Blaine; > > There are lots of belief systems and it takes great wisdom to navigate all > of them. I believe there is truth and merits in all these systems as well as > errors and problems. Fortunately for us, God is love and is great in mercy > towards us. He knows we're all trying to honour and worship him and that we > go by the light that we have. > > >From my brief sojourn into the strange realm of territorial warfare, I've > come across fallen angels who are, for want of better terms, "spirits of > religion". They are clothed in white and well meaning in that they are > zealous for God's holiness and name. They are quite deceived but they think > it's us who are deceived and needs correcting. I believe Mohammed met up > with one. He told the Prophet that Islam and the Koran was needed to correct > the abuses of Christianity. Christians were given a message of forgiveness > and grace and their sinful behaviour has profaned God. Islam will be the > more perfect way. > > There are some others who were also told that what was given at an earlier > time was not enough or got corrupted. This leaves us with an interesting > dilemma. From the perspective of Group A, Group B is adding to what was > revealed and intended by God and therefore falling into error. From the > perspective of Group B, Group A does not have full revelation. > > You could read my post and say those spirits in white that I encountered > were not fallen angels but real messengers of God and that I've warred > against them to the peril of my soul. You could be right. Meanwhile, I > firmly believe they are fallen angels, the bane of church history, the cause > of much bloodshed and disunity and I oppose them. > > God have mercy on us all. > > Love, > > Caroline > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 10:48 PM > Subject: Re: Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christians--real or imaginary, or, > Bap tism 4 dead? > > > > > > > > > > -- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If there are no further revelations since 1st century AD, then all the > > visions David Miller has are false. > > > > **BLAINE: Carolyn, If you want to worship DavidM, and accept his visions > > as a basis for religious doctrine, then please be my guest. I neither > > accept nor reject David's visions (I only am aware of one!), as I have not > > had the spirit indicate either for or against them. I will say, I do not > > believe DavidM is inspired by anyone but the men who taught him his brand > > of religion, which is the same as to say I think he stands in his own > > light, added to by the professors of religion who taught him. I am aware > > of much of what he believes and thinks, having been on TT before, and > > having had a number of discussions with him. He is intelligent and > > apparently well-educated--that is the best I can say. As for his beliefs, > > I believe he is more enlightened than many, except that I believe DavidH > > is not only smarter, but far more a child of the truth than anyone else on > > TT, including DavidM. As for me, I am a child of the Mormon belief system > > through and through. Like DavidH, I consider this system to be far > > superior to any other on the ear > > th today. There are many churches and many doctrines and many belief > > systems. Some are more "intelligent" than others. There are also many > > enlightened people, some more "intelligent," or enlightened than others. > > God is the most intelligent of all, and he called upon Joseph Smith and > > others, knowing the calamity that was about to overtake the inhabitants of > > the earth. The doctrines He taught Joseph by way of angelic messengers > > and inspired visions/revelations of various sorts are the most > > "intelligent" of all--or most enlightened. There is truth about, here > > and there--but remember, Satan has many priesthoods. God has but one. He > > has revealed/restored it to men on this earth in these last days, to > > prepare them for the coming of His Son--just as John was sent to prepare > > the way in the meridian of time. But this time, the angelic messenger > > delivered a message for all the inhabitants of the earth--not just those > > in and about Jerusalem. The proselyting that must be done, therefore, is > > on a far grander scale. There are curren > > tly about 52,000 Mormon missionaries in the field, all with the message of > > the restored, "everlasting gospel" to be preached to all nations, > > kindreds, tongues, etc. A good start, but the work is actually just > > beginning to gain momentum. It will continue until the "Kingdom" fills > > all the earth. What has DavidH done lately? (: > > > > Surely Kevin does not believe that. Perhaps what he meant is that God will > > never say or do anything that will contradict what has been revealed by > > Jesus and the bible. > > > > **BLAINE: Kevin believes whatever he must to make a rebuttal to whomever > > opposes his self-enlightened doctrines. (: Kevin, more than any other on > > TT, stands in his own light. > > > > Love, > > > > Caroline > >> > >> From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Date: 2005/04/28 Thu AM 12:06:35 EST > >> To: [email protected] > >> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christians--real or imaginary, or, > >> Baptism > >> 4 dead? > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> BLAINE: It is ON-GOING REVELATION that Kevin does not believe in. His > >> theme is, as always, that revelation ceased with the apostles' deaths. > >> Can you or Kevin furnish me with any scripture that substantiates this > >> false--VERY false--doctrine? > >> > >> > >> > >> Blaine, check out Jude 3. The faith was apparently delivered "once for > >> all". > >> > >> BLAINE: Wow, that is the cat's me-ow, huh, that you came up with one > >> little ol' scripture!! Ha! Talk about making up a doctrine based upon > >> one teeny-tiny scripture!! But that is about the speed we see on > >> so-called "Christian" doctrines that are, like the cheap CZ on a > >> teenager's ring, glittery in appearance, but MANMADE!! That doctrine > >> has one thing and only one thing going for it--it is an "easy-sell!" The > >> discussion between you boys and DavidH says it all. 'nuf said, let's get > >> down to reality now and admit you evangelical boys are not true > >> Christians, 'cuz you don't believe God can intervene in the affairs of > >> men by speaking to a prophet, to reveal his mind and will concerning > >> current conditions. What kind of faith is that? Even the Pope admits > >> such. You evangelicals do not actually have a leg to stand on--it is > >> either between the Catholic Church, which claims direct-line authority > >> from the apostles, or it is the Mormons, who claim restored authority. > >> "Where there is no vision, the people perish." (Proverbs 29:18) > >> > >> "if any man lack wisdom, let him ask of God, who giveth to all men > >> liberally, . . . " (James 1:5) > >> > >> "and I saw another angel flying in the midst of heaven, having the > >> everlasting gospel to preach to all . . " (Rev. 14:6) etc, etc. > >> > > ---------- > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. 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