DAVEH And, do you consider yourself to be anti-Mormon?
Interesting question for Perry. That propmpts one for DAVEH. Do you consider yourself to be ANTI Bible & ANTI Christian?
Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
DAVEH: Ohhhhhhhh....what an interesting response, Perry! I must say that I do find it rather curious that you would rather take a more vigorous new tack against my beliefs rather than discuss issues of theology common to both of us. May I ask what has prompted you to take on this agenda with added enthusiasm? And, do you consider yourself to be anti-Mormon?
I assume by now you fully realize you will not be converting me to your form of beliefs. And while you may have higher hopes for Blaine, I doubt you are going to bet the farm he will leave Mormonism either. Furthermore, you must know that no other TTers sympathize with me or my beliefs, so I can't imagine you are powering up your war against LDS theology for their benefit. As you know....I am fascinated to know why real Christians on TT like you believe as you do, and react to LDS theology as you do, which is why I am on TT in the first place. You say you are on a quest....why? I do hope you enlighten me as to why you are getting so emphatic now.....just what is motivating you, Perry???
Charles Perry Locke wrote:Dave,
Between Kevin's response, and the response I made to David some time ago (which you quoted in your response), my position should be clear and I don't think there is any more that I can add. If you were to accept my and Kevin's position, that 'ALL' really means 'ALL', then it would mean you would have to deny that the BoM and D&C are revealed works, and admit they they are inconsequential and unimportant texts and, since mormonism stands or falls on these inconsequential texts, you are not about to give up those saced cows.
Do you realize that by believing that there needs to be further revelation beyond the 66 books we have today, you are absolutely denying God's ability to get His word to His people, and denying that the work of Christ on the cross, which is explained fully in the Bible, and understood for centuries by milions, probably billions, of Christians. Are you and all of your mormon brothers and sisters really that arrogant?
DavidM, do not get worked up over the fact that I said 'no further revelation'. I think you know what I mean by that.
Dave, I am starting on a new tack for my Mormon research. I have always suspected that JS was under the influence of Satan, not being the sharpest pencil in the pack, and that there are signs of Satan (the real one) all through the mormon system...symbols, relationships, rites, all of it. My new approach is to begin to identify and isolate all of those items that are related directly to Satan to see if I can produce a profile of Satan's works strictly from mormon sources.
For example, it makes sense that, since Satan has been severly punished for his transgression of pride, and failed to defeat Jesus and, in fact, was defeated BY Jesus at the cross, it makes sense that in the satanically inspired mormon system he would make himself the BROTHER of Jesus. Yes, fellow real Christians, the mormons consider Satan to be the brother of Jesus. Not a fallen archangel...the actual brother of Jesus. Unbiblical. Pure JS hype inspired by Satan himself. If you cannot make yourself HIGHER than God, why not make yourself EQUAL to the Son of God? By the way, the mormons also make themselves EQUAL to the Son of God. Brothers of Satan. Eventually to become gods themselves. Satan tried the same lie on Adam and Eve. It took him thousands of yeasrs to perfect that lie, and we see it's fruit in the mormon church.
Additionally, consider that in the Mormon temple ceremony (at least from it's inception until it was purportedly removed), a play showed Satan paying a Christian minister to preach Satan's gospel. What a perfect ploy that Satan himself used to poison the attitude of unsuspecting mormons into believing that the REAL church is SATANIC. Reverse psychology at it's best.
Consider also that the symbols used on mormon temples are all associated with the occult. AND, they never use the cross. The patented mormon reason is that it is a symbol of torture. In part they are right because IT IS A SYMBOL OF TORTURE TO SATAN BECAUSE IT WAS BY THE CROSS THAT HE WAS DEFEATED!!!
Finally, Satan does not have to develop evil within people to win their souls...in fact, he has developed a culture of some of the nicest warm-fuzzy people on the planet...but all he has to do is to keep them from knowing the real Christ, and he has done this by setting up a counterfeit christ and false god to distract them. Lost souls a la carte. My original question that began my quest to understand mormonism, "How can such nice and wonderful people be so lost?" has been answered.
My quest continues. If any of you real Christians on TT see any other evidence that Satan is the mind and power behind JS and mormonism, please let me know so I can research it and add it to my growing list of evidence of Satan's grimy signature on the good, but deceived, people of the mormon lie.
Perry
PS. There is still time. Once you die, there will be no way to change your mind. (Hebrews 9:27) And "once" means "once". A million mormons can be baptised vicariously for you, but the only thing that will change is that there will be a million more wet mormons. You will then know the truth. But it will be too late to set you free.
DAVEH: To Kevin and Perry, who both responded to my post regarding *ALL God revealed* being included in the Bible. I did not realize that my questions would find you so disagreeable. DavidM previously posted what to me seemed a pretty convincing argument (from Scripture) that I will post below. I don't recall either of you getting excited about his suggestion that ALL is not included in the Bible. Is your disagreement with me on this simply because of my LDS background, or do you really believe ALL God has revealed is included in the Bible???
Note: The passages you quoted before do not say ALL is included in the Bible, Kevin. IF you have any passages that DO say such, please post them. Otherwise, it would seem to be your opinion that ALL God has revealed is included in the Bible....And I believe your opinion is wrong.
Perry wrote:
I do beleive that the scriptures contain all
knowledge and truth in that it provides all
knowledge and truth regarding spiritual things,
No way. Even Paul speaks of a man going into the third heaven and receiving knowledge that was not lawful to utter. John bears similar testimony in the book of Revelation, being forbidden to write certain things that he heard. Apparently you have not yet had experiences like this yourself.
Kevin wrote:
As someone who we all love once said: "It depends on what the definition of IS, IS!"
As far as I am concerned ALL does not mean some. There is another word for that it is called "some" You play fast and easy with the text. Just another example of the LOW REGARD for God's Word of many on TT.
*Perfect example of forcing your context into the text!*
Isogesis is to come to the text with our own presuppositions and thoughts coloring the way you read and interpret the text. Bringing those things "into" the text is isogesis, rather than taking "out" of the text, what it confers is exegesis
/Charles Perry Locke wrote:/
/From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
DAVEH: Wouldn't that suggest *_ALL_* means less than everything?
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Dave, are you pulling a Clinton here? Doesn't 'ALL' always mean 'ALL'? /-- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.
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