Re: [TruthTalk] baptism

Thu, 05 May 2005 11:59:49 -0700

Terry, there is a book call "The Distinguishing Traits of Christian Character", by Gardenr Spring. In it he posits that of the traits that Christians exhibit, there are two types...those that can be imitated by non-christians, and those that cannot. He concentrates on the "distinguishable" traits; those that cannot be imitated. It was a very convicting book. It made me ponder my own faith.

I think these distinguishing traits were referred to as "fruit" in the Bible. You will know them by their "fruit". Fruit does not have to be just works, but spiritual fruit, like love, peace, patience, etc.. I have, on rare occasions (perhaps far TOO rare!), had people that do not know me say "You must be a Christian", perhaps because of some random act they saw me perform, or some reponse I gave, or attitude I exhibited. As I walked away I thought, "Wow! I didn't even know my fruit was showing!" And I thanked God for His grace.

Perry

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I have read this verse many times, but evidently I cannot grasp it as well as Izzy and Dave H. What would constitute evidence of things we cannot see? Invisable faith is hard to grasp for me. Is it simple intellectual assent, or is it a thing or a number of things that can be measured? IOW, can you tell a person has faith by what they say, or are they required to be faithful? Can you get a "Well done, good and faithful servant" for simply saying "I believe"? How 'bout some clear concise answers that an uneducated redneck can comprehend. Then when we agree what faith is, we can all tell who has it.
Terry

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Hebrews 11:1



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Here is another question that was never answered by any who were party to the conversation.



Debbie



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    If I might step between y"all for a moment, I would ask that you
    first define faith.  What is faith?
    Terry

    Dave Hansen wrote:

    DAVEH:  I concur, Kevin.  Faith is certainly a key element of
    salvation, but I do not think it is the *only *element necessary
    for salvation.  How do you see it, Kevin....do you believe faith
    is the only necessary element of salvation?




    **DAVEH:  Hey Kevin........Do you have a problem with me using
    1Cor 15:29 in support of other Biblical passages that become
    cumulative evidence that the Primitive Christians believed a water
    baptism was necessary for salvation?  It does lead one to that
    logical conclusion, does it not?**

    **Christians of all ages accept the clear teaching that salvation
    is by Faith**



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