Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism

Wed, 11 May 2005 08:51:06 -0700

LOL entered into meaningful dialog  
 
AS DH says Nothing will make for easier discussions, IF one of the parties does not want to have a meaningful exchange

Charles Perry Locke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Lance, do you think Jesus was giving Christianity a "bad rap" when he
overturned the moneylenders' tables in the temple? Instead, should he have
quoted some 2nd century BC greek philospopher on the existential qualities
of selling in the temple, then entered into meaningful dialog about what the
philosopher really meant, whether or not it applies today, and then
discussed how different interpretations of the scripture (OT) fit in with
the philosophy? Lets be Real Christians, okay?

>From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To:
>Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism
>Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 09:39:55 -0400
>
>It amazes me that could could ask this of Dave, Perry! ,at least without a
>'smiley'. Kevin is a jerk and, he comes accross as one (I probably do as
>well) on TT. I bet he does 'on the street' also. It is such that give
>christianity a bad rep. He probably sees himself as 'suffering for the
>cause
>of Christ' whereas it's just the 'jerk factor' in play.
>
>Kevin:Speaking JtoJ we ought to keep this in mind.
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To:
>Sent: May 11, 2005 09:29
>Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism
>
>
> > Dave,
> >
> > I can't understand why you do not hang on every word Kevin posts! He
> > backs up all of his biblical claims with scripture references, and not
>just
> > one or two, with several to many. He backs up what he claims about the
> > Mormon church with statements from your own non-prophets and leaders. He
>has
> > a passion for the Lord, and quite evidently has been called to use this
> > passion, and his knowledge of the Word, to spread the gospel. I would
>expect
> > him to act no differently on TT than he does on the street. Just because
>he
> > does not fit your idea of what Truth Talk should be does not mean that
>his
> > exchanges are not meaningful. In fact, in terms of proclaiming the
>gospel
>to
> > the unsaved, Kevin is probably doing more on TT than any other poster.
>He
> > steadfastly sticks to the message, not straying into the
>pseudo-intellectual
> > realms of so many posts. Those things are often titillating and fun to
> > ponder, but when it comes down to it, either you believe or you don't.
> >
> > Perry
> >
> > >From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Reply-To: [email protected]
> > >To: [email protected]
> > >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] baptism
> > >Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 23:46:44 -0700
> > >
> > >DAVEH: Nothing will make for easier discussions, IF one of the parties
> > >does not want to have a meaningful exchange, Kevin. I view TT as being
>a
> > >place where two or more people of contrasting opinions can explore why
> > >other's believe differently. I perceive that some TTers (such as
>yourself)
> > >are here not to have a meaningful discussion unless it results in the
>other
> > >person adopting your beliefs. Basically, you want to use TT as a forum
>to
> > >convert people to Christianity as you understand it...is that correct?
> > >Assuming so, you probably don't feel a need to find areas of common
>belief,
> > >but rather cut right to the chase and try to overwhelm your opponent
>with
> > >their error of thought/belief as you perceive it. Have I analyzed it
> > >correctly, Kevin?
> > >
> > > I harbor no illusions about changing your anti attitudes, Kevin.
>But
>I
> > >am curious as to why you are as you are (and why you believe as you
>do),
>if
> > >that makes any sense. It's just one of my hang-ups I suppose. So,
>every
> > >now and then you do reveal a bit about yourself, for which I am
> > >appreciative. But as I see it, you mostly put up a pretty thick wall
> > >hoping to wear your opponents down in their futile efforts to overcome
>that
> > >wall. Then you try to attack their perceived soft spot, hoping for a
>quick
> > >victory.
> > >
> > > That'll be $250 for your initial therapy session, please! :-D
> > >
> > >Kevin Deegan wrote:
> > >
> > >>Why does it make discussions easier?????
> > >> Do you mean it will disarm those rascal Anti's?
> > >>
> > >>*/Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:
> > >>
> > >> DAVEH: I think it makes discussions much easier if common points
> > >> are first found, Kevin.
> > >>
> > >> Kevin Deegan wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> What is this Mormon preoccupation with finding all the things we
> > >>> have in common?
> > >>> Why would one want to find; lets say, for example, all the
>things
> > >>> they have in common with the devil?
> > >>> So what then; after we find what we have in common?
> > >>>
> > >>> */Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Charles Perry Locke wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>>> DAVEH: Ohhhhhhhh....what an interesting response, Perry!
> > >>>>> I must say that I do find it rather curious that you would
> > >>>>> rather take a more vigorous new tack against my beliefs
> > >>>>> rather than discuss issues of theology common to both of
>us.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> It is not what we have in common that is the problem...it
> > >>>> is what we do NOT have in common.
> > >>>
> > >>> DAVEH: So you have no interest in discussing theology in an
> > >>> effort to see what we might believe in common? Maybe we
>have
> > >>> two different perspectives about TT, Perry. I view it as a
> > >>> place where people of divergent opinions can share ideas and
> > >>> quiz one another about their beliefs without feeling
> > >>> threatened or inviting a hard sell approach to change other
> > >>> people. I'm beginning to think you are here to do battle,
>so
> > >>> to speak. To you, TT merely is a place to convert people to
> > >>> your way of thinking. Am I reading you wrong on this? If
> > >>> not, then for what reason did you come to TT, Perry?
> > >>>
> > >
> > >--
> > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > >Dave Hansen
> > >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >http://www.langlitz.com
> > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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> > >
> >
> >
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