Perry
From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org> Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 12:47:19 -0400
I know Jesus. Kevin is no Jesus. Very bad illustration, Charles Perry Locke.
(heretofor 'Chuckie' after the films)
----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org> Sent: May 11, 2005 10:31 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism
> Lance, do you think Jesus was giving Christianity a "bad rap" when he
> overturned the moneylenders' tables in the temple? Instead, should he have
> quoted some 2nd century BC greek philospopher on the existential qualities
> of selling in the temple, then entered into meaningful dialog about what
the
> philosopher really meant, whether or not it applies today, and then
> discussed how different interpretations of the scripture (OT) fit in with
> the philosophy? Lets be Real Christians, okay?
>
> >From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
> >To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org>
> >Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism
> >Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 09:39:55 -0400
> >
> >It amazes me that could could ask this of Dave, Perry! ,at least without
a
> >'smiley'. Kevin is a jerk and, he comes accross as one (I probably do as
> >well) on TT. I bet he does 'on the street' also. It is such that give
> >christianity a bad rep. He probably sees himself as 'suffering for the
> >cause
> >of Christ' whereas it's just the 'jerk factor' in play.
> >
> >Kevin:Speaking JtoJ we ought to keep this in mind.
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org>
> >Sent: May 11, 2005 09:29
> >Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism
> >
> >
> > > Dave,
> > >
> > > I can't understand why you do not hang on every word Kevin posts!
He
> > > backs up all of his biblical claims with scripture references, and not
> >just
> > > one or two, with several to many. He backs up what he claims about the
> > > Mormon church with statements from your own non-prophets and leaders.
He
> >has
> > > a passion for the Lord, and quite evidently has been called to use
this
> > > passion, and his knowledge of the Word, to spread the gospel. I would
> >expect
> > > him to act no differently on TT than he does on the street. Just
because
> >he
> > > does not fit your idea of what Truth Talk should be does not mean that
> >his
> > > exchanges are not meaningful. In fact, in terms of proclaiming the
> >gospel
> >to
> > > the unsaved, Kevin is probably doing more on TT than any other poster.
> >He
> > > steadfastly sticks to the message, not straying into the
> >pseudo-intellectual
> > > realms of so many posts. Those things are often titillating and fun to
> > > ponder, but when it comes down to it, either you believe or you don't.
> > >
> > > Perry
> > >
> > > >From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
> > > >To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
> > > >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] baptism
> > > >Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 23:46:44 -0700
> > > >
> > > >DAVEH: Nothing will make for easier discussions, IF one of the
parties
> > > >does not want to have a meaningful exchange, Kevin. I view TT as
being
> >a
> > > >place where two or more people of contrasting opinions can explore
why
> > > >other's believe differently. I perceive that some TTers (such as
> >yourself)
> > > >are here not to have a meaningful discussion unless it results in the
> >other
> > > >person adopting your beliefs. Basically, you want to use TT as a
forum
> >to
> > > >convert people to Christianity as you understand it...is that
correct?
> > > >Assuming so, you probably don't feel a need to find areas of common
> >belief,
> > > >but rather cut right to the chase and try to overwhelm your opponent
> >with
> > > >their error of thought/belief as you perceive it. Have I analyzed it
> > > >correctly, Kevin?
> > > >
> > > > I harbor no illusions about changing your anti attitudes, Kevin.
> >But
> >I
> > > >am curious as to why you are as you are (and why you believe as you
> >do),
> >if
> > > >that makes any sense. It's just one of my hang-ups I suppose. So,
> >every
> > > >now and then you do reveal a bit about yourself, for which I am
> > > >appreciative. But as I see it, you mostly put up a pretty thick wall
> > > >hoping to wear your opponents down in their futile efforts to
overcome
> >that
> > > >wall. Then you try to attack their perceived soft spot, hoping for a
> >quick
> > > >victory.
> > > >
> > > > That'll be $250 for your initial therapy session, please! :-D
> > > >
> > > >Kevin Deegan wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>Why does it make discussions easier?????
> > > >> Do you mean it will disarm those rascal Anti's?
> > > >>
> > > >>*/Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> DAVEH: I think it makes discussions much easier if common
points
> > > >> are first found, Kevin.
> > > >>
> > > >> Kevin Deegan wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> What is this Mormon preoccupation with finding all the things
we
> > > >>> have in common?
> > > >>> Why would one want to find; lets say, for example, all the
> >things
> > > >>> they have in common with the devil?
> > > >>> So what then; after we find what we have in common?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> */Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Charles Perry Locke wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>> DAVEH: Ohhhhhhhh....what an interesting response,
Perry!
> > > >>>>> I must say that I do find it rather curious that you would
> > > >>>>> rather take a more vigorous new tack against my beliefs
> > > >>>>> rather than discuss issues of theology common to both of
> >us.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> It is not what we have in common that is the
problem...it
> > > >>>> is what we do NOT have in common.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> DAVEH: So you have no interest in discussing theology in
an
> > > >>> effort to see what we might believe in common? Maybe we
> >have
> > > >>> two different perspectives about TT, Perry. I view it as
a
> > > >>> place where people of divergent opinions can share ideas
and
> > > >>> quiz one another about their beliefs without feeling
> > > >>> threatened or inviting a hard sell approach to change
other
> > > >>> people. I'm beginning to think you are here to do battle,
> >so
> > > >>> to speak. To you, TT merely is a place to convert people
to
> > > >>> your way of thinking. Am I reading you wrong on this? If
> > > >>> not, then for what reason did you come to TT, Perry?
> > > >>>
> > > >
> > > >--
> > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > >Dave Hansen
> > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >http://www.langlitz.com
> > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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may
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