Fair weather friends want to have their cake and eat it too; if Canada were invaded by an enemy you can bet
the US would be invited to the party and fast.  Passivity which makes no demands or waves usually thinks it has
lots of friends because it is no threat but sometimes we need to wait and see what happens when the chips are
down - every dog has it's day.   jt.
 
On Wed, 11 May 2005 23:44:41 -0500 "Caroline Wong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
There is tremendous grace in Canada. You can do stuff that annoy us. We can disagree on lots of things. We can even decline your kind invitation to join the "coalition of the willing". But we still consider you friends. This is very key. Think about it. Canada has lots of friends. America has few. Like a child in a playground, when America is upset, she cries out, you're not my friend. Canada answers but I'm still yours.
 
Love, Caroline
 
 
Kevin writes: I just saw a news item
When asked who is their closest friend Canadians said the USA Americans said England

Caroline Wong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
We took a leaf from your founding fathers: Your freedom ends when it encroaches mine.
 
What a resounding defense of the freedom you enjoy in CanaDuH

Caroline Wong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
They would probably end up in jail. No ACLU up here. No first amendment. Then they will be able to preach to the "perverts" and "sodomites" in prison. Perhaps that will be God's plan for them. Don't worry, I hear Canadian jails are kinder and gentler places than American jails.
 
Love,  Caroline
 
And that would be your loss Lance ... Pray they will grace Ontario with a visit - jt
 
On Wed, 11 May 2005 15:50:06 -0400 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
I wouldn't cross the street to see the 'cow suit' or, for that matter, Kevin.

From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I know Jesus.
Kevin is no Jesus. Very bad illustration, Charles Perry Locke.  (heretofor 'Chuckie' after the films)
 
The Jesus you know is not the same being Lance.
Yours is complacent and has a gospel that was never preached by Paul or any of the apostles.
Have you heard Kevin preaching on the street or are you judging what you have experienced and
giving your opinion re something you know nothing of?  I thought the tactics of Chuck Spingola were
a little over the top - But have repented of that because - They are out there I'll go to see Ruben in
his cow suit if he ever comes to VA - Waving that underwear gets more than a yawn :).  jt
 
 
 
From: "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Lance, do you think Jesus was giving Christianity a "bad rap" when he
> overturned the moneylenders' tables in the temple? Instead, should he have
> quoted some 2nd century BC greek philospopher on the existential qualities
> of selling in the temple, then entered into meaningful dialog about what the
> philosopher really meant, whether or not it applies today, and then
> discussed how different interpretations of the scripture (OT) fit in with
> the philosophy? Lets be Real Christians, okay?

> >From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >It amazes me that could could ask this of Dave, Perry! ,at least without a
> >'smiley'. Kevin is a jerk and, he comes accross as one (I probably do as
> >well) on TT. I bet he does 'on the street' also. It is such that give
> >christianity a bad rep. He probably sees himself as 'suffering for the
> >cause
> >of Christ' whereas it's just the 'jerk factor' in play.
> >
> >Kevin:Speaking JtoJ we ought to keep this in mind.

> >From: "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Dave,
> > >    I can't understand why you do not hang on every word Kevin posts!
He
> > > backs up all of his biblical claims with scripture references, and not
> >just
> > > one or two, with several to many. He backs up what he claims about the
> > > Mormon church with statements from your own non-prophets and leaders.
He
> >has
> > > a passion for the Lord, and quite evidently has been called to use
this
> > > passion, and his knowledge of the Word, to spread the gospel. I would
> >expect
> > > him to act no differently on TT than he does on the street. Just
because
> >he
> > > does not fit your idea of what Truth Talk should be does not mean that
> >his
> > > exchanges are not meaningful. In fact, in terms of proclaiming the
> >gospel
> >to
> > > the unsaved, Kevin is probably doing more on TT than any other poster.
> >He
> > > steadfastly sticks to the message, not straying into the
> >pseudo-intellectual
> > > realms of so many posts. Those things are often titillating and fun to
> > > ponder, but when it comes down to it, either you believe or you don't.
> > >
> > > Perry
> > >
> > > >From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
> > > >To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
> > > >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] baptism
> > > >Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 23:46:44 -0700
> > > >
> > > >DAVEH:  Nothing will make for easier discussions, IF one of the
parties
> > > >does not want to have a meaningful exchange, Kevin.  I view TT as
being
> >a
> > > >place where two or more people of contrasting opinions can explore
why
> > > >other's believe differently.  I perceive that some TTers (such as
> >yourself)
> > > >are here not to have a meaningful discussion unless it results in the
> >other
> > > >person adopting your beliefs.  Basically, you want to use TT as a
forum
> >to
> > > >convert people to Christianity as you  understand it...is that
correct?
> > > >Assuming so, you probably don't feel a need to find areas of common
> >belief,
> > > >but rather cut right to the chase and try to overwhelm your opponent
> >with
> > > >their error of thought/belief as you perceive it.  Have I analyzed it
> > > >correctly, Kevin?
> > > >
> > > >    I harbor no illusions about changing your anti attitudes, Kevin.
> >But
> >I
> > > >am curious as to why you are as you are (and why you believe as you
> >do),
> >if
> > > >that makes any sense.  It's just one of my hang-ups I suppose.   So,
> >every
> > > >now and then you do reveal a bit about yourself, for which I am
> > > >appreciative.  But as I see it, you mostly put up a pretty thick wall
> > > >hoping to wear your opponents down in their futile efforts to
overcome
> >that
> > > >wall.  Then you try to attack their perceived soft spot, hoping for a
> >quick
> > > >victory.
> > > >
> > > >    That'll be $250 for your initial therapy session, please!   :-D
> > > >
> > > >Kevin Deegan wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>Why does it make discussions easier?????
> > > >>  Do you mean it will disarm those rascal Anti's?
> > > >>
> > > >>*/Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>     DAVEH:  I think it makes discussions much easier if common
points
> > > >>     are first found, Kevin.
> > > >>
> > > >>     Kevin Deegan wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>>     What is this Mormon preoccupation with finding all the things
we
> > > >>>     have in common?
> > > >>>     Why would one want to find; lets say, for example, all the
> >things
> > > >>>     they have in common with the devil?
> > > >>>          So what then; after we find what we have in common?
> > > >>>
> > > >>>     */Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>         Charles Perry Locke wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>         DAVEH:  Ohhhhhhhh....what an interesting response,
Perry!
> > > >>>>>    I must say that I do find it rather curious that you would
> > > >>>>>         rather take a more vigorous new tack against my beliefs
> > > >>>>>         rather than discuss issues of theology common to both of
> >us.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>           It is not what we have in common that is the
problem...it
> > > >>>>         is what we do NOT have in common.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>         DAVEH:  So you have no interest in discussing theology in
an
> > > >>>         effort to see what we might believe in common?  Maybe we
> >have
> > > >>>         two different perspectives about TT, Perry.  I view it as
a
> > > >>>         place where people of divergent opinions can share ideas
and
> > > >>>         quiz one another about their beliefs without feeling
> > > >>>         threatened or inviting a hard sell approach to change
other
> > > >>>         people.  I'm beginning to think you are here to do battle,
> >so
> > > >>>         to speak.  To you, TT merely is a place to convert people
to
> > > >>>         your way of thinking.  Am I reading you wrong on this?  If
> > > >>>         not, then for what reason did you come to TT, Perry?
> > > >>>
> > > >
> > > >--
> > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > >Dave Hansen
> > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >http://www.langlitz.com
> > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > >If you wish to receive
> > > >things I find interesting,
> > > >I maintain six email lists...
> > > >JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS,
> > > >STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----------
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may
> >know how you ought to answer every man."  (Colossians 4:6)
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