Re: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] baptism

Sat, 14 May 2005 21:45:42 -0700

Truth has perished in the streets.  jt

And that ain't the only place!

Hos 4:1 Hear the word of the LORD, ye children of Israel: for the LORD hath a controversy with the inhabitants of the land, because there is no truth, nor mercy, nor knowledge of God in the land.



Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Well Caroline, everyone to their own opinion.  I would take a lot of comfort in your thoughts if you were the
judge, but there is a different standard which is not near as lax.  Yes God understood and loved us enough to
send His ONLY begotten Son to pay for our transgressions so that we would not have to continue to wallow in
them. So let the redeemed of the Lord say so ... My gospel is the "highway of holiness" (Isa 35:8-10)...
Orthodoxy is the "other way"
 
Are you aware that history is continually revised? They are fixing to make poor old John Paul who because of
his Parkinsonism could barely stagger around and could not conduct a homily before he died into some kind of a
miracle working superman/saint. Future generations will not recognize him as the same man we saw on TV.
 
Along the same lines Priscilla Presley is revising her history with Elvis and this is now in the process of being
transformed from the sordid tale of a very beautiful 14yr old  teen who Elvis met while in Germany and was given permission by her starstruck and misguided parents to live at Graceland with the much older Elvis (attending
school in TN, while ATST being subject to his perverted whims) - until they were married 5-6yrs later - into
a sweet and innocent little love story for one of the Networks - Truth has perished in the streets.  jt
 
 
On Sat, 14 May 2005 08:20:49 -0500 "Caroline Wong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
So this is where we respectfully disagree. I believe Jonathan is on the right path and that you are on the wrong path having followed the wrong leaders. But that's okay. God loves you and understands all that make you think and act the way you do. There will be judgment but as His daughter, you will be with Him in eternity.
Love,
Caroline
 
Jonathan does not follow God's Word Caroline, he is a follower of "Orthodoxy" which during the days of Christ's
earthly ministry would have been the Scribes & Pharisees - or as Jesus put it, the blind leading the blind.  Now back
then Jesus told his disciples to "let them be" but Athanasuis and his cronies in the 4th Century believed they had found a superior way to deal with those they labelled hereticks such as Arius. So their peculiar doctrine and that of Church councils that followed became "Orthodoxy" - which BTW has nothing whatever to do with "new wineskins"  Jesus
baptises with the Holy Spirit and all error has at it's root the other spirit.  jt
 
On Fri, 13 May 2005 22:49:17 -0500 "Caroline Wong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Jonathan does not disagree with God's word and he is well versed in what God said in the bible. As JD found out, new wine is poured into new wineskins. Very early in my TT days, my pastor said that I can't change another person's beliefs without giving them something else to believe in. I will add that unless God changed a person, made him into new wineskin, new beliefs will cause him to burst. It is self preservation to reject new wine until that transformation happens.
 
I'm referring to us all - by whatever label that's been applied to us - saint, sinner, Christian, anti-whatever, liberal, fundy. godly, godless
 
By the way, this is the label that we (everyone of us here) give ourselves: true Christ followers.
 
Love,
 
Caroline
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Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 8:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] baptism

Maybe if you read the bible, instead of fantasy books, you would have a understanding of what God's word has to say on the subject.
 
Why is it that every time one of you Liberals disagrees with God's word of course it is a incorrect reading?
Who made you chief editor of God's word?
Maybe it is God who has Hardened you Bible Correctors Hearts, as his judgement of your rebellious spirit.

Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Izzy, have you considered that your reading of the Lord hardening Pharoah's heart may not be the correct reading?  Would you consider that some may define that _expression_ differently than you?  Consider that Raymond may be correctly assessing the heart of God (one who softens instead of hardens) and then approaching the passage in Exodus.  The eyeglasses one wears always colour our perceptions.  Our view of God colours how we read Scripture.  If we view God as One who hardens hearts we will then look at this text as justifying what we already believe.  If we view God as being One who is love (in His very core of being) we will delve in and wrestle with the text (note that the text also says that Pharoah hardened his own heart etc.) instead of approaching it with a tentative surface meaning.  We all become like the God we adore.  Those that adore a hard, vengeful, angry God tend to be hard, vengeful and angry right here on TT.
 
A new approach to people's posts on TT would be beneficial.  Before we rush to defend our own opinions with our prooftexts perhaps wrestling with why a person holds a certain belief would be in order.  Would it have hurt to see that you may have agreed with Raymond when he says that God softens hearts?  Has God ever softened yours?  Could you have used that to continue (rather than end) the dialogue?  Rather than 10 vacuous posts a day how about just one well-thought, well constructed, and well meaning post?
 
Jonathan
Truthtalk Alumnis
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Sent: May 13, 2005 17:24
Subject: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] baptism

Raymond, Have you not read the book of Exodus, or do you just disagree with it when it says the Lord hardened Pharaoh�s heart? Izzy

 

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Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] baptism

 

David:  Why would such be bad?  Have you not read how the Lord hardened Pharaoh's heart?  Don't you think Jesus himself hardened the hearts of the scholars (both Sadducees and Pharisees) of his day?  Was that bad?

 

Raymond:  I respectfully disagree.  The Lord does not hardened hearts; He softens them.

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