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Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Mr. 'B':You may, unknowingly, have fallen prey to syncretism.----- Original Message -----From: BothomsSent: May 14, 2005 10:02Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] What I believe...and what I do not believePerry: Raymond, you are very smooth. You almost had me believing that you worship
the same Jesus and God that Terry worships.Raymond: I worship the Father in the name of His Son Jesus Christ.Perry: You see, the God of the Bible never was a man.Raymond: Have you never read that we are created in His image (Gen 1:26-27), or that His Son Jesus Christ is in His express image and likeness (Heb 1:1-3).Perry: He has no beginning and no end.Raymond: That's true.Perry: He is the same yesterday, today, and forever.Raymond: In reference to His Godhood, that is true.Perry: There were none before Him, and there will be none after Him.Raymond: For one, that's not true; and for two, I don't think you understand what your own statement.
Perry: So He can't be the same one you worship, who your religion claims was once a man (from a planet near the star Kolob, no less)...who had a father...who was a god...who once was a man...who had a father, and so on.Raymond: Refusing to use appropriate capitalization won't help you. Consider the following--"And [Jesus Christ] hath made us kings and priests unto God [our Heavenly Father] and his Father [our Heavenly Grandfather]; to him [Jesus Christ] be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen." (Rev 1:6)Perry: Infinite regression...infinite 'gods'.Raymond: That's 'infinite progression.' Consider the following--"Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God." (Ps 90:2)"But the mercy of the LORD is from everlasting to everlasting upon them that fear him, and his righteousness unto children's children; to such as keep his covenant, and to those that remember his commandments to do them. The LORD hath prepared his throne in the heavens; and his kingdom ruleth over all." (Ps 103:17-19)"Blessed be the LORD God of Israel from everlasting to everlasting: and let all the people say, Amen. Praise ye the LORD." (Ps 104:48)"But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord." (1Cor 3:18)-- How do you think one moves from everlasting to everlasting and from glory to glory? Answer this -- if you have understanding. Do you really know the things of the eternities?Perry: So, the small 'g' god's son can't be Jesus Christ the Son of the living God of the Bible.Raymond: Jesus is a God with a capital "G." LDS Christians are gods with a small "g," because we are 'gods in embryo' having received the word of God."Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent forth into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?" (John 10:32-36)
Perry: Is the godhead you mention the Trinity, or three separate gods?Raymond: The Godhead is mentioned three times in the New Testament. They are three separate Gods. Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost are united in doing the will of the Father. They stand as one, united in purpose. Hence-- The Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are one God or Godhead. The will of the Godhead being manifested through Jesus Christ during His ministry (Col 2:9). The 'Trinity' is a doctrine first proposed by Origin in the second century AD. It was further developed by Tertullion and adopted by the Roman Catholic Church during the 4th and 5th centuries. The doctrine of the Trinity replaced the doctrine of the Godhead.Perry: Isn't that called polythesim?Raymond: No, although I accept the existence of many Gods -- I only worship one. Polytheism is the worship of many gods.
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