Raymond: The fact is that you are twisting Scripture for your own agenda. The passage is not discussing 'who are the children of God or not.'
read it real slow Ray: "these are not the children of God"
What does that mean?
RAYMOND says Just because you find "not the children of God" doesn't mean it's being used in the passage in the way you want.
Then tell us how it is really being used!
My comment on it does not matter:
Lets use some logic here I know logic is a trick of the devil for LDS but:
If ALL people are Gods children and all gentiles are people
THEN
all gentiles are God's children
OK so far?
context is gentiles and gentiles being people should; according to LDS, be God's children.
The scripture says that in the context of GENTILES
They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God
Some "children" are "not children of God"
Bothoms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Kevin: RM 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
Raymond: The verse that you are using is out of context. Read verses 6 and 7 � this is concerning the Gentiles under the new covenant being able to enter into the Abrahamic Covenant. (Something that Gentile members were not allow to do under the Old Covenant.).
Kevin: Point is some are "not the children of God" It does not matter if the context says gentiles, you claim all are.Raymond: The fact is that you are twisting Scripture for your own agenda. The passage is not discussing 'who are the children of God or not.' The passage is about the Gentile members being allowed to enter the Abrahamic Covenant. Just because you find "not the children of God" doesn't mean it's being used in the passage in the way you want.Raymond: But since twisting Scripture "does not matter" to you, I'll dish it back---"... [Judas] went and hanged himself." (Matt 27:5) "... Go, and do thou likewise" (Luke 10:37)If you don't like that, then use the Scriptures properly. And don't try to tell me that it's a matter of understanding the same passage of Scripture differently because I don't believe that is the case. I don't believe you read the passage -- you just did a search and used the passage without reading it. When I called you on it, you sought to defended it by writing that it "does not matter." Well, it does !
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