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I basically agree with your thesis Caroline, about the
love part anyway but I see your _expression_ as a bit lop sided
and definitely Pollyannaish. God never
has changed His nature and character. He is the same today as he was when
Moses wrote Deuteronomy and the blessings for
obedience and the curses for disobedience still stand.
Yes Christ became a curse for us so that we don't have
to walk in it - but we are. Something is very wrong because the
Church is just as sick as the world. Go to any doctor's waiting room - you
won't be able to tell the difference and this ought not to be. Why is
the Church wearing the curse? Because we don't understand sin,
righteousness, or judgment as Per Hosea 4:6 - while we are busy being nice folk
and respecting ppl Satan is eating us for lunch and because pastors don't want
to deal with it some are even teaching that this is a
blessing.
Maybe your denomination has taught you that we will be
perfected when the final trump sounds and the Church is raptured off to
heaven. Well God doesn't need us perfected up there, he has enough perfect
ones and no sin there. He needs us to do the work of the ministry here.
Kevin may not believe exactly like me but he is busy doing what he
believes God has called him to do and some of you are all over him like a
rash in spite of what God says about division and strife (in his eyes
this is the same as adultery) Grace and Peace, judyt
Jesus. Yeshuah. God saves. He is able to overcome
all our faults and sins. He is able to overcome all our wounds and brokenness.
He is constantly at work in all our lives. He tells us when we're wrong
(judgment) so that we can turn and do right. He blesses us with his
forgiveness so that sin can not enslave and kill us. He loves us and is
delighted when we do good. He loves us and is grieved when we hurt
another person or another person hurts us. If He did not love us, He would not
be delighted or grieved by us.
Some people believe we're on our own and then,
when we die, God gives us the scorecard. I believe God is with us from
beginning to end: loving, convicting, forgiving, grieving, loving, enjoying,
judging, loving, pursuing, calling, correcting, loving
Love, Caroline
They are only observations JD, I was
misguidedly thinking that the immersion had been having an effect :)
But let's face it - When we come to Jesus we are
all a mess and we remain a work in progress for a long time after that.
The goal of the instruction is love from a PURE
heart and unfeigned love of the brethren which does not happen overnight - and yes the condition of the heart is the deciding
factor because a person with a pure heart will also have a sanctified mouth and we all know what kind of strife
the tongue can kindle.... jt
Please read my questions below and give an answer. Your
personal judgments about me are no answer to my
questions. Additionally, are some gluttons saved and
others lost because of "attitude of heart?" Are you saying that it is the
condition of the heart rather than mere "sin" that God looks to?
Why was I naive enough to think you were asking
an honest question JD; I should have known I was being
set up and that you had this hidden agenda... Who
said a "glutton" is saved and a "confessing pervert" lost??
Certainly not me. What both Terry and I
said is that all fat ppl are not gluttons. Read the scriptures and
you will find that gluttony and drunkenness and
surfeiting are an attitude of the heart. It is walking after the
flesh. If you want to go around judging
every fat person - then that is another area of sin.
As for my beliefs - you know nothing about
them. What you think you know stems from your bad experiences
in the past which you equate with
legalism, works faith and some such convoluted system; these are your
issues JD. They have nothing at all to do with
me. jt
For the most part, we are fat because we consume too many
calories. Call it gluttony; call it over-eating.
It damages the "temple of God." Why is this person "saved" and
the confessing "pervert" lost? Sins of omission will
send us to hell, under your gospel. How many minutes can I sit
watching TV while not, at the same time, preaching to the
lost? I collect 1:18 model cars. I just spent $250
on a 1955 Mercedes with something like 3600 individual parts
----- going to hell until I repent, take the car back and give
the money to the local church or a needy ministry or a needy person?
As Terry said - all fat ppl are not gluttons
but if you are concerned or interested here's a Bible
Study:
Gluttony & Drunkenness seem to go together
like siamese twins (as an attitude of the heart) and under the
Old
Covenant they they were cause for a rebellious
son who would not listen to be stoned
(Deuteronomy 21:20)
These two are also mentioned in tandem in
Proverbs 23:20
Isaiah 5:21,22
Luke 21:34,35
Romans 13:13,14
Ephesians 5:18,19
Is gluttony a sin? From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED]Just as with a rich
man, all things are possible in Christ.
Are fat Christians save
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