Re: [TruthTalk] Dave uses Socratic Method of Teaching LDS doctrine on TT

[Dave]

Charles Perry Locke wrote: Dave,   I see a dilemma in your statement that Jesus was a god before he came to earth as a human, when compared to your own position (not a god)  prior to coming to earth as a human. In my non-mormon mind that is contradictive. I am trying to understand how YOU resolve that conflict. I want to see if you have an answer I can find REASONABLE, DAVEH:   Perry....it doesn't matter what answer I give you....you won't find it reasonable.  You've made it quite clear that even a truth spoken from the lips of a Mormon is to be abused.     For what possible reason do you need to have an answer that seems reasonable, Perry.  Look at it logically...You believe LDS theology is wrong.  So why do you waste your time trying to understand it?  Your previous attitude has been to attack anything emanating from Mormonism, even if it is true.   So...I can explain my beliefs to you in detail, but your attitude towards them (and me) will remain the same, will it not?  You cannot conceive that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is as we claim, the True Church....so why would you possibly want to know how I resolve conflicts of beliefs that you perceive to be false.     As I see it, there are two possible reasons for you to ask such a question knowing that you wouldn't agree with the answer.  If you have a similar curiosity as I do to why people believe as they do, then you might want to know what is there about Mormonism that attracts people or why Mormons tend to be so committed to their peculiar beliefs.  On the other hand, if you firmly believe Satan is at the heart of Mormonism, why would you even entertain such a curiosity.  From your recent posts, I would dare say the latter is most likely, which leads to the second reason.  You have in effect proclaimed Mormonism to be evil, and are on a crusade to denigrate it every time it is presented in a positive light.      So, why do you..... want to see if you have an answer I can find REASONABLE .......unless it is to find some some weakness in my beliefs, faith or psyche in which to attack....attack....attack, hoping I'll succumb to mocking, humiliation, peer pressure or whatever.  If you don't like Mormonism, Perry....that is your problem.  Just don't expect me to allow you to make it my problem.     Am I accurately portraying your position, Perry?   or if you will use of smoke, mirrors, and prooftexts to explain it away, or if you will sidestep the issue. These are the three types of responses I have seen you provide for various discussions and questions in the past.  Obviously, you also see the dilemma and have no REASONABLE answer, so sidestepping must be the best tool in your mormon toolbox to deal with the issue. Whining about my motives is a red herring. DAVEH:  Believe what you want, Perry.  I feel pretty comfortable in my understanding of what you perceive as a dilemma.  I certainly don't have all the answers to each and every question you or Kevin might pose, but I don't let it worry me much.  Perhaps what I lack in knowledge, I make up in faith.  Furthermore, I feel so old and tired, I don't have much gumption to fight younger guys like you and Kevin.    If you want to rule the sandbox...be my guest.  I'll go find my own sandbox and take a nap.   :-) Perry From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Dave uses Socratic Method of Teaching LDS doctrine on TT Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 23:59:35 -0700 DAVEH:  I've got no problem answering somebody who really wants to know, Perry.  I just question your motives.  Why do you want to know?  It seems obvious that you don't particularly care to know what I believe, since you think my beliefs are in error and have proclaimed your desire to prove it false.  Like Kevin, you seem more intent on belittling my faith than in participating in a viable exchange.  If I answer your below question, you will merely ask another, and perhaps another after that, in effect causing me to/ teach Mormonism/.....is that what you really want???    If you persist in insisting that I am deceptive about my reasons for joining TT, then I do find it strange that you would expect me to answer your questions using my LDS rooted beliefs. Charles Perry Locke wrote: Dave,   I notice that you often answer a question with another question. If you don't want to answer it, just say so.   It is a direct question with a yes or no answer. But, if you have no answer that is okay, just say so. Here is my planned responses should you choose to answer the question:   1) if you say "yes" then I will ask you why you did not retain any of your godly powers, as jesus did, when you cam to earth and why you have to work to become a god all over again.   2) if you say "no", then I will ask you why your brother jesus got to be a god before he became a man, but you didn't.   Again, if you do not want to answer, just say so. I am just trying to figure out the statement you made that jesus was a god before coming to earth, and whether you were or were not, and why that is. Perry DAVEH:   Another leading question, Perry?  Do you intend to criticize me again for answering your question??? Charles Perry Locke wrote: Dave,   If you believe jesus was a god before he became a man, as you stated, and you are his brother, then were you a god before you became a a man? Perry -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS. ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man."  (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed.  If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... 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