[TruthTalk] Fond Farewells- Salvation

[Judy Taylor]

He does not place himself above the rest of us on TT and so far as I am aware there is no hierarchy here. I know you don't believe DM to have a prophetical gift so let's put that issue aside.  OTOH though what he writes is what God has already said in His Word and agreeing with God is humility.  Let's be real here and admit that the real reason Bill et al quit is because they could not "shine" in their peculiar aberrations here and apparently this is important to them - Looks like they don't have stamina equal to that of the Mormon boys :) ... jt     On Tue, 24 May 2005 06:47:50 -0400 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I continually 'stone' DM, as you put it, because he is in leadership. He should exhibit epistemological humility. He should operate with open structures. He should know what ongoing learning is. He is yet a babe but, one can get by on milk I suppose. I'll bet TD hasn't read Dallas Willard.  From: Judy Taylor Are you claiming that the fact that DM is detail oriented is what ran B,C&D off?  The "accuser" is back with a vengeance and he just loves to play the blame game on TT.  Of course IYO Bill et. al. are blameless.?  My daughter teaches second grade and what she reports sounds nothing at all like DM.  Why do you continually verbally stone David Miller and now his daughter?  For ppl who profess and are so caught up in God's love this kind of behavior is inexcusable.  Remember love covers the multitude of sin so even if he were at fault your behavior condemns you remember we reap according to how we sow - jt     On Tue, 24 May 2005 04:38:51 -0400 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: When you're right...........Sad ain't it? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   In you statment below, you initiate your "discussion" with falsehood  --  the claim that I am confused and you are not.   Grade school combat tactics.   Just plain silly.   Why did Bill leave -- and probably Caroline and Debbie?  They got of the tactic "win at all costs."   You , especially, have potential, what with  your eduational backgroudn (PhD and all).   But you argue like a school kid.   "Here's the probelm, John  --  I am better than you."   "Aaahh, no you're not ?"  "YES I AM AM !!!'  "  No you're not."   "Yes I am too."      See the second grade tactic.?  David says "Oh, now I see the crux of the matter:   I follow the Bible and John doe not."   Great response.   Perhaps intellectually challenging to some in your camp,  but it is a response that avoids the conflict,  builds you up in your own eyes (and Izzy's   --   she will now say that I was defeat simply because you said I was confused.)     In P3,  you argue that you are in the apostles teaching and I am not.   You do not teach justification apart from obedience to law.   You do not teach Christ as a substitute for in terms of faith and righteousness.  You do not believe the law to be a "burden" although Peter felt this way.  You think hell in somewhere near Compton.  You do not know the fdifference between the old sacrifices and the new.  You consider yourself an apostles on a par with Paul and Peter !!!   You tout the rationalism of your thinking and call it enlightenment.  I could go on   ---------------------   or would you prefer discussing the issue?      Dinner time.   Look for Post II in this series, coming to your house in the near future.     JD    What denominational association do you maintain and/or What denominational association is the church you now attend? Your answer to these questions has a lot to do with how I respond to this post.   You know my afflication.   What is yours?   JD       -----Original Message----- From: David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Mon, 23 May 2005 11:27:07 -0400 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fond Farewells- Salvation David Miller wrote: >> John 20:22-23 >> (22) And when he had said this, he breathed on them, >> and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost: >> (23) Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto >> them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained. John wrote: > You are not included in this; neither am I. > I see the apostles as having a very different relationship > with the Christ than anyone else. P 3 This is the crux of our difference then: doubt and unbelief concerning the reality of the kingdom of God. I abide in the apostles' doctrine and believe that all that they were instructed in by Jesus the Christ applies to everyone who believes in Jesus Christ. Jesus told the apostles: Matthew 28:19-20 (19) Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: (20) Teaching them to observe ALL THINGS WHATSOEVER I HAVE COMMANDED YOU: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. Paul said: Philippians 3:17 (17) Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample. Concerning the gift of the Holy Ghost that Jesus connected with the retaining or remitting of sins in John 20:22-23, Peter said: Acts 2:38-39 (38) Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. (39) For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and TO ALL THAT ARE AFAR OFF, even as many as the Lord our God shall call. Do you speak in tongues, John? Just how much of the Bible are you not included in? Peace be with you. David Miller. ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.