Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Fond Farewells- Salvation

Tue, 24 May 2005 05:27:51 -0700

Most assuredly DM & CM are 'included for participation in the Trinitarian life of God'. Point taken!
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Subject: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Fond Farewells- Salvation

Just goes to show that we see more than politics entirely differently. I don't find what DM writes to be
any more prideful than the rest of us, in fact many times I have observed that he lets things pass and
goes the extra mile with ppl who are derisive and abusive toward him.  Since God says "vengeance is
mine, I will repay" Why not let Him deal with DM?  After all the incarnation is all about love isn't it?
Jesus was born into this world and went to the cross willingly so that you and I could be free to love.
And love includes DM and Christine.  I thank Him for them.  jt
 
On Tue, 24 May 2005 07:22:58 -0400 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Indeed, he feigns not doing so. His attitude preceeds him. IFF he is not truly a prideful man then, someone should tell his fingers prior
to them landing on the keyboard.
 
He does not place himself above the rest of us on TT and so far as I am aware there is no hierarchy here.
I know you don't believe DM to have a prophetical gift so let's put that issue aside.  OTOH though what he
writes is what God has already said in His Word and agreeing with God is humility.  Let's be real here and
admit that the real reason Bill et al quit is because they could not "shine" in their peculiar aberrations here
and apparently this is important to them - Looks like they don't have stamina equal to that of the Mormon boys :)
... jt
 
 
On Tue, 24 May 2005 06:47:50 -0400 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
I continually 'stone' DM, as you put it, because he is in leadership. He should exhibit epistemological humility. He should operate with open structures. He should know what ongoing learning is. He is yet a babe but, one can get by on milk I suppose. I'll bet TD hasn't read Dallas Willard. 
Are you claiming that the fact that DM is detail oriented is what ran B,C&D off?  The "accuser" is back with a
vengeance and he just loves to play the blame game on TT.  Of course IYO Bill et. al. are blameless.?  My
daughter teaches second grade and what she reports sounds nothing at all like DM.  Why do you continually
verbally stone David Miller and now his daughter?  For ppl who profess and are so caught up in God's love
this kind of behavior is inexcusable.  Remember love covers the multitude of sin so even if he were at fault
your behavior condemns you remember we reap according to how we sow - jt
 
 
On Tue, 24 May 2005 04:38:51 -0400 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
When you're right...........Sad ain't it?
 
In you statment below, you initiate your "discussion" with falsehood  --  the claim that I am confused and you are not.   Grade school combat tactics.   Just plain silly.   Why did Bill leave -- and probably Caroline and Debbie?  They got of the tactic "win at all costs."   You , especially, have potential, what with  your eduational backgroudn (PhD and all).   But you argue like a school kid.   "Here's the probelm, John  --  I am better than you."   "Aaahh, no you're not ?"  "YES I AM AM !!!'  "  No you're not."   "Yes I am too." 
 
 
See the second grade tactic.?  David says "Oh, now I see the crux of the matter:   I follow the Bible and John doe not."   Great response.   Perhaps intellectually challenging to some in your camp,  but it is a response that avoids the conflict,  builds you up in your own eyes (and Izzy's   --   she will now say that I was defeat simply because you said I was confused.)  
 
In P3,  you argue that you are in the apostles teaching and I am not.   You do not teach justification apart from obedience to law.   You do not teach Christ as a substitute for in terms of faith and righteousness.  You do not believe the law to be a "burden" although Peter felt this way.  You think hell in somewhere near Compton.  You do not know the fdifference between the old sacrifices and the new.  You consider yourself an apostles on a par with Paul and Peter !!!   You tout the rationalism of your thinking and call it enlightenment.  I could go on   ---------------------   or would you prefer discussing the issue?   
 
Dinner time.   Look for Post II in this series, coming to your house in the near future.  
 
JD 
 

What denominational association do you maintain and/or What denominational association is the church you now attend? Your answer to these questions has a lot to do with how I respond to this post.   You know my afflication.   What is yours?
 
JD
 
 
 
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From: David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Mon, 23 May 2005 11:27:07 -0400
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fond Farewells- Salvation

David Miller wrote:
>> John 20:22-23
>> (22) And when he had said this, he breathed on them,
>> and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
>> (23) Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto
>> them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.

John wrote:
> You are not included in this; neither am I.
> I see the apostles as having a very different relationship
> with the Christ than anyone else.

P 3
This is the crux of our difference then:  doubt and unbelief concerning the 
reality of the kingdom of God.  I abide in the apostles' doctrine and 
believe that all that they were instructed in by Jesus the Christ applies to 
everyone who believes in Jesus Christ.  Jesus told the apostles:

Matthew 28:19-20
(19) Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of 
the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
(20) Teaching them to observe ALL THINGS WHATSOEVER I HAVE COMMANDED YOU: 
and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Paul said:

Philippians 3:17
(17) Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as 
ye have us for an ensample.

Concerning the gift of the Holy Ghost that Jesus connected with the 
retaining or remitting of sins in John 20:22-23, Peter said:

Acts 2:38-39
(38) Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in 
the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the 
gift of the Holy Ghost.
(39) For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and TO ALL THAT ARE 
AFAR OFF, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Do you speak in tongues, John?  Just how much of the Bible are you not 
included in?

Peace be with you.
David Miller. 


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