So do I.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Christine Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: May 25, 2005 14:42 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] mormon angels. was: Dave uses Socratic Method of Teaching LDS doctrine on TT > Yes, I do see your point and I do agree. But the Bible > speaks to be understood, and it is written to inform > us. We must interpret, that's true, just as I must > interpret your post when I read it. > > The Bible is very clear on what it means to be a child > of God and a brother of Jesus. It requires > interpretation to communicate at all, but when > something is stated blankly (John 1:12), how much spin > can we add before we are misinterpreting? Perhaps I > could have said "misinterpret" instead of "disregard," > but I do believe the Mormons are genuinely ignoring > the Bible's stance on this one. > > Blessings! > > --- Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Christine:Please! One need not disregard the Bible > > to believe anything. One > > need only disregard your interpretation. What you > > find to be the plain > > meaning of something is not necessarily what another > > thoughtful believe > > might find. Agreed? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Christine Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: May 25, 2005 13:36 > > Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] mormon > > angels. was: Dave uses > > Socratic Method of Teaching LDS doctrine on TT > > > > > > > > > > http://www.towertotruth.net/Mormon/witnessing/terminology.htm > > > > > > What a wakeup call. I followed this link and found > > > this: > > > > > > JESUS CHRIST: > > > > > > LDS--A created being, the first spirit child of > > Elohim > > > and one of his wives, the spirit brother of > > Lucifer > > > the devil. > > > > > > So Jesus and Satan are BROTHERS? I thought Jesus > > was > > > my brother: Romans 8:29, "For whom he did > > foreknow, he > > > also did predestinate to be conformed to the image > > of > > > his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many > > > brethren." Paul is clearly talking about our > > adoption > > > by God the Father, who becomes our Father when we > > > "receive" His son (John 1:12) when he says earlier > > in > > > verse 19: "For as many as are led by the Spirit of > > > God, they are the sons of God." Lucifer is not led > > by > > > God's Spirit. He is engages in warfare against > > God's > > > Spirit. And he certainly has not received Jesus. > > > > > > To believe these things, one must first disregard > > the > > > Bible. > > > > > > Blessings, > > > > > > Christine > > > > > > --- Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > There was a significant word game going on when > > I > > > > first arrived on this forum. LDS using words > > that > > > > seemed intended to cloak the true LDS > > understanding. > > > > I think the christians here have a far better > > > > understanding of mormonism now then in past > > years > > > > > > > > There are words that are familiar to christians > > that > > > > have a different meaning to LDS > > > > Word Christian LDS meaning > > > > Gentile NON Jew - NON LDS > > > > angel created spirit being - ressurected man > > > > Virgin birth > > > > Gospel > > > > Fall bad -good > > > > Jesus Christ > > > > Godhead Trinity - committee composed of gods > > > > including SATAN > > > > council in heaven - The meeting in the premortal > > > > life of the Godhead and spirits designated for > > this > > > > earth, in which the plan of salvation was > > presented. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.lightplanet.com/mormons/basic/premortal/Council_EOM.htm > > > > At a certain point in the council, the Father > > asked, > > > > "Whom shall I send [as the Redeemer]?" Jesus > > Christ, > > > > known then as the great I AM and as Jehovah, > > > > answered, "Here am I, send me," and agreed to > > follow > > > > the Father's plan (Moses 4:1-4; Abr. 3:27). As a > > > > counter-measure, Lucifer offered himself and an > > > > amendment to the Father's plan of saving mankind > > > > that would not respect their agency > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.towertotruth.net/Mormon/witnessing/terminology.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > Charles Perry Locke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > David, Dave is smarter than you are giving him > > > > credit for being. He knows > > > > what he is doing. He is playing a word game. I > > have > > > > no problem with him > > > > pushing his mormon views into the discussions > > > > here...I just want him to > > > > acknowledge that is what he is doing. He is > > > > intentionally misinterpreting > > > > this as my not wanting him to espouse mormonism > > on > > > > the forum. That is NOT my > > > > goal. My goal is to get him to own his actions. > > To > > > > say he is NOT pushing > > > > mormonism, then push it anyway is disengenuous. > > > > Then, to turn it around as > > > > though I do not welcome his mormon views is a > > lie. > > > > > > > > Perry > > > > > > > > >From: "David Miller" > > > > >Reply-To: [email protected] > > > > >To: > > > > >Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] mormon > > angels. > > > > was: Dave uses Socratic > > > > >Method of Teaching LDS doctrine on TT > > > > >Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 09:09:31 -0400 > > > > > > > > > >DaveH wrote: > > > > > > Apparently many TTers want me to teach LDS > > > > theology on > > > > > > TT, yet some wish to criticize me for > > complying > > > > with their wishes. > > > > > > Seems like a no win situation, eh Lance. > > > > > > > > > >Let me clarify yet again what TruthTalk is all > > > > about and Dave Hansen's > > > > >situation in regards to this forum. > > > > > > > > > >TruthTalk is meant to be a forum where people > > from > > > > different religions and > > > > >different backgrounds can share their beliefs > > and > > > > teachings with the rest > > > > >of > > > > >us. We, in turn, can judge what they teach and > > > > examine it. We can raise > > > > >objections or questions concerning what is > > being > > > > said. The goal is > > > > >learning > > > > >and getting a better undertanding of both what > > we > > > > believe and what others > > > > >believe. > > > > > > > > > >Dave Hansen is LDS Mormon and he has as much > > right > > > > here as anybody else to > > > > >teach or post his views. In like manner, his > > > > teachings will be examined > > > > >and > > > > >questioned by others. This is the nature of the > > > > forum. I would not say > > > > >that it is a "no win situation" just because a > > > > person's viewpoint is > > > > >criticized in this forum. If you share your > > views, > > > > expect some examination > > > > >and perhaps criticism if someone thinks that > > the > > > > viewpoint deserves such. > > > > > > > > > >Now in regards to the question of why DaveH is > > > > here. I have read both Dave > > > > >and Perry's exchange on this, and personally I > > find > > > > Dave's reasons for > > > > >being > > > > >here consistent. He has an interest in knowing > > what > > > > Protestants believe > > > > >and > > > > >why. He interacts with us, and in doing so, is > > > > questioned about his > > > > >beliefs. He responds to such questions in a way > > > === message truncated === > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > ---------- > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. 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