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Who said you're not discerning? Whoops, that'd be
me. Now I need to take it back.
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Sent: May 25, 2005 14:49
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re:
[TruthTalk] mormon angels. was: Dave uses Socratic Method of Teaching
LDS...
I meant a christian not a proto Orth Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
To name just one, Bart Ehrman
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Sent: May 25, 2005 13:19
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re:
[TruthTalk] mormon angels. was: Dave uses Socratic Method of Teaching
LDS...
Who? Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
The Genesis and Job comments are supported
by some commentators.
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Sent: May 25, 2005 10:29
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk]
mormon angels. was: Dave uses Socratic Method of Teaching LDS...
DAVEH: No Judy....I am not kidding, though I may
have chosen better words (counsel) to describe it.
When God spoke as recorded in Genesis
(1:26), he seemed to be discussing the creation with
others......
And God said, Let us make man in our
image, after our likeness:.....
.......I believe
this was directly (and pretty much literally) a reference as to what
was said at that planning session, or counsel. Job also
referred to such a meeting (1:6).......
Now there was a day
when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and
Satan came also among them.
.......which also
addresses Kevin's comment carrying negative
connotations.........
And Satan was a committee
member!
.........Yes, I believe Satan was also present
at that counsel. His unruly behavior led to a war in heaven, and
his subsequent expulsion. Regarding your comment to Blaine,
Judy.......
Blaine scripture teaches nothing about any
pre-existence so it is all a figment of someone's
imagination.
.......I would respectfully
disagree, as I believe there is plenty of evidence recorded in the
Bible of the pre-existence.
Judy
Taylor wrote:
Planning sessions? Tell me you are
kidding DaveH ... Like God is a committee and needs input?
Also my Bible says that the Holy Spirit is the executor of the will
of the Father and the Word who became the Son. jt
DAVEH: FWIW.....I agree with what you explained below,
Blaine. But I've always thought LDS theology allows that
Adam was a God in the pre-mortal existence, inasmuch as he was one
of the key players (as you indicated below) who sat in on the
planning sessions (so to speak) of the plan of salvation, and then
was a/the pivotal character in implementing the gospel. Is
that how you understand Adam's role/status, Blaine?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Blaine: I guess I just can't resist breaking into an
interesting conversation!! Perry you are wrong when you
say Mormons believe Adam was both God-the-Father and
Michael in the pre-existance. It is
clear and consistent in all Mormon doctrinal treatesies on this
subject that 1) The man Adam was Michael the archangel in
the pre-existence, 2) that Michael was third in order of
authority in the pre-existence. Both the Father and the
Son were above Michael in authority. Michael was the
executive of the will of the Father and the Son, you might
say.
In a message dated 5/24/2005 8:01:49 AM Mountain Standard
Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes: Dave,
If I
am "somewhat close", can you tell me the part I am wrong
about? You
always say if I want to know what mormons
believe, ask a mormon...
Perry
>From: Dave
Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To:
[email protected]
>To:
[email protected]
>Subject:
Re: [TruthTalk] mormon angels. was: Dave uses Socratic Method
of
>Teaching LDS doctrine on TT
>Date: Tue, 24
May 2005 06:38:17 -0700
>
>
>
>Charles
Perry Locke
wrote:
>
>>Dave,
>>
>>
Christians consider angels and humans to be two distinct types
of
>>created beings.
>
>DAVEH:
Yes, I understand that. Yet, it seems Paul is telling us
that it
>is difficult (if not impossible) to tell us
(mortals) apart from angels.
>
>>Correct me if
I am wrong, but don't mormons consider angels to be either
>>pre-mortal or post-mortal humans? For example,
don't mormons consider
>>Michael (the archangel)
also to have been a human at one point...was it
>>Adam? Hasn't he also been considered to be the
mormon god the father? So,
>>basically, one being
can be spirit, angel, human, or god at various times.
>>Am I right on this?
>
>DAVEH:
You are somewhat
close.
>
>>
>>Perry
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