Yes !! and they obviously appear within the boundries of our own posts !!! I say one thing and David says I said something else. In what shall I hope, Sir Lance?
The Bishop
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From: Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Thu, 26 May 2005 09:17:54 -0400
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fond Farewells- Salvation
Anyone want to take a run at epistemology and it's application within a Christian context? Variations appear in the Greek text of the Newer Testament. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: May 26, 2005 09:11 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fond Farewells- Salvation > David Miller wrote: > >> I would think from comments you have made that your > >> position would be that there is a little bit of doubt in all > >> of us. Am I mistaken about that? > > John wrote: > > Yes ... > > Knowing you are right in some esoteric way > > is a fantasy of the first order. > > David Miller wrote: > >> You claim that this teaching of Christ does not > >> include us. From my perspective, this emanates > >> from doubt and unbelief. > > John wrote: > > Soooo, if one disagrees with you, the > > problem is always one of doubt and disbelief? > > If I am speaking truth, yes, but the real point is that when somebody > disagrees with Christ, the reason is doubt and unbelief. > > John wrote: > > When you disagree with me, David, it is > > because you are wrong !! That'what I think. > > How can I be wrong if knowing you are right is a fantasy? You are filled > with contradictions here that make further conversation impossible without > first resolving the issue of whether or not we can know anything. > > When I say that your perspective seems to be that there is a little doubt > and unbelief in all of us, you disagree. Yet, you then turn around and > claim that knowing we are right about something is a fantasy. You can't > have it both ways. We obviously have a huge disconnect here in regards to > our terms of knowledge, knowing, doubt, and unbelief. You must be working > from some other definitions of these words or you are a completely > irrational person. > > John wrote: > > It never has crossed my mind that you > > were one of doubt and disbeleif. > > Well, you should be thinking of me that way, because I have quite a bit of > doubt and unbelief. If I did not, I would be walking on water and doing > many of the other things that Jesus said those who believed upon him would > do (John 14:12). > > John wrote: > > Guaranteed I am not. > > And you think I am arrogant and you are not? This is one of the most > arrogant statements I have ever heard on TruthTalk. > > If you know any way to explain what doubt and unbelief and knowledge mean to > you, please try. We have grossly different understandings of these words. > You claim we can't know anything and yet at the same time not have doubt and > unbelief. When my mind hears that, it reacts like that robot on "Lost in > Space" saying, "It does not compute." [I borrowed from my childhood > memories of "Lost in Space" just for Lance. :-)] > > I would like to discuss this subject further, but cannot until you define > the terms doubt, unbelief, knowledge, faith, and explain the relationship > between doubt and unbelief to knowledge and faith. There are connections > between these words that are very important for how I understand our > relationship to the Word (the Logos, Christ, Scripture, etc.). > > Peace be with you. > David Miller. > > > ---------- > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
