Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Ad hominem arguments

[Judy Taylor]

On Sat, 28 May 2005 18:04:47 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John wrote: You are a legalist, David.   David wrote: Thank you.  Nothing wrong with being a legalist.  God is a legalist too.  Read the Torah and study why Jesus had to die for your sins.   John responds: There can be no argument that God was the author of the Law. Christ took the curse of the Law away Blessed are those whose "sins and iniquities are remembered no more."  Where there is forgiveness of these things, there is no longer any offering for sin  --   He 10:18. In the fulfillment of the Law, we have the end of law.    jt: Christ did not become a curse for those who keep on wilfully sinning JD.  The curse is still all over those ppl and they are wearing it.  Sickness is the curse of the law.  Since Christ took the curse of the Law away - by following your reasoning sickness should be gone also.  It's not so something is amiss.  The Law has not gone anywhere JD. It is fulfilled in Christ. We must now allow it to be fulfilled in us also if we are to be found "in Him"   The contrast is law verses Spirit.If righteousness came by the Law, then Christ died in vain, David.   Therefore, the faith of Christ is presented in the place of righteousness (or the lack there of).  The very purpose of the Law sealed its fate  --  for through the Law I died to the Law that I might live to God.   More than a contrast between law and Spirit, the biblical text speaks of faith verses Law  ..  the incumbent rewards of abiding in the Law is not a demonstration of faith  -   rather, such rewards are the result of indebtedness.     jt: God Himself does not pit faith against His Law; this is done by doctrines of men.  The only reason Old Covenant ppl could not keep God's Law was because of the weakness of the flesh for which we have now been given "dunamis" or power from heaven so that we are now able to fulfill God's Law in or through Christ.   That which was presented in Jere 31:31-34 as a promise had its beginnings in the time of Abraham and before the Law. The law, then, was only a tutor, leading us to the time when we would be justified through faith, leading us to Christ.   As a tutor, the Law was temporary.     jt: God's Word is eternal JD; the Levitical system is what was temporary.   We are not children of the law (the bondswoman) ; rather and in contrast, we are children of the free woman.    jt: The allegory above (bondswoman) represents the works of the flesh and has nothing to do with God's Law which is spiritual.   The really bad news in all this is found in this fact:  to be justified by Law is to be fallen from grace.    jt: The Levitical system is finished and gone ... but trusing in the works of the flesh is the same thing. Keep the law, if you will DM  --   as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.  The Bishop   jt: If you are trusting in the "incarnation" or "perichoresis" you are not any better off JD