RE: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit

[ShieldsFamily]

Exactly right.  The only way to be “under” the law is by trying to keep the law w/o Christ—or by walking “in the flesh” (Self) instead of in Christ.  The moral laws in the OT are the same moral laws of the NT.  They never changed.  But when we are in Christ we realize that the written OT laws are only the surface, like the difference between reading a “Dick and Jane” primer in first grade and reading and understanding the Bible as an adult.  The fullness of the moral law is when it springs forth from a heart transformed by the Presence of Christ within—then our actions go so much farther than just the minimal requirements of the OT written law.    For instance, instead of complying with the OT written law against adultery, which can be obeyed superficially by doing everything up to but not including sexual activity, when we obey the NT unwritten law of Christ we are grieved even by the thought of defrauding another person’s mate, or our own.  When we married my husband pledged even our eyes to each other; we never look upon another person lustfully.  We never entertain lustful thoughts.  We never place ourselves in compromising situations, alone with a member of the opposite sex that would have even the appearance of wrongdoing.  And we avoid ever putting another person in a situation that might make them appear to do wrong.  For instance, whenever my husband has a meeting with a woman at work he keeps his office door wide open.    The OT and NT ‘laws’ are simply God’s standards written in such a way as we might understand them.  That is why they are good and wonderful and righteous: They express the heart of God.  Once we have a new heart in Christ, we have those same desires.  Then obeying them is not a work of the flesh, but a natural _expression_ of who we are in Him, and who He is in us.  Any time we are not acting out of such natural motivation we are certainly not dwelling in His Spirit, or allowing His Spirit to dwell in us.  That is why whenever there is mean name-calling, belittling, animosity, superiority, condescension, sarcasm, spitefulness, etc., on TruthTalk , Christ is being abandoned for Self/Flesh.  This is sin.  In the OT or the New.  Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 3:26 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit   There never was a 'plan B' with God. It never was: first Law (oops, didn't work) then Grace.This is really rather important as it says something about the sort of God we serve.   ----- Original Message ----- From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 31, 2005 04:37 Subject: [Bulk] RE: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit   Terry, I agree with you.  I don’t know anyone “under the law” except my Jewish friends. Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry Clifton Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 3:22 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit   Terry believes that he is to follow his Savior, die to self, do as He says.  Terry does not offer lambs or sleep in tabernacles or eat unleavened bread.  Terry does not need a priest.  Terry is a priest, the same as any other born again believer.  I can eat a lobster without fear of angering God and I can go straight to the Lord with my prayers from any place on this earth on any day of the week.  Show me one person under the law that can do that. Terry ShieldsFamily wrote: Amen, David.  And does Terry believe this? Izzy   -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of David Miller Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 1:27 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit   Gary wrote:   All who rely on observing the law are under a curse     I hope everyone on the list understands that most everyone posting on this list right now seems to believe this.  The key word here is "RELY."  I do not hear Judy saying that we need to rely on observing the law.  I hear her saying that we should rely upon Christ, and when we do, we can expect to comply with the righteous requirements of the law.  We ought not reject obedience nor the righteousness of the law just because we rely on Christ. The question is, does Gary, Lance, and John believe this? Romans 8:4(4) That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. Peace be with you.David Miller.   ----------"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may knowhow you ought to answer every man."  (Colossians 4:6)http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to[EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed.  If you have afriend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to[EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.   ----------"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man."  (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed.  If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.