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Let me assume DM's inquisitor model (not employed
in some time I might say) and, abbreviate for the sake of your
time:
Do you perceive the James 1 experience such that it
enables you to set aside every other consideration concerning LDS?
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Sent: June 02, 2005 23:57
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs
DaveH
DAVEH: Time is my biggest enemy, Lance. I
started a big reply to one of DavidM's posts about 3 or 4 weeks ago, and it is
only half finished. Right now I'm running a sleep deficit, and having
fallen asleep early last night at my computer while reading TT stuff....I am
going to try to lurk more in the future. Besides...I think most TTers
find my thoughts rather boring, being as LDS biased as they are.
Lance
Muir wrote:
No 'knows'rings here, Dave. Why don't you more
actively enter the conversation by offering your own summary of what's been
said thus far. Then, please let me know your opinion/thoughts.
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Original Message -----
Sent:
June 02, 2005 09:58
Subject:
Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH
Lance Muir wrote:
DH asks:
1. Did Jesus' ...By some, yes. Your
counterpart would be:The reindentification of 'who jesus is' by JS. One
need not extend this thinking far to conclude that either the LDS are
the 'true christians' or those that reflect the teaching of Nicea. You
do see this do you not? DAVEH:
Yes....however, it is also possible that neither are correct.
ONCE IT IS DEMONSTRATED THAT WE DO NOT WORSHIP, PREACH,
TEACH....THE SAME JESUS THEN, ONE OF US FOLLOWS A FALSE GOSPEL. You do
see this do you not? DAVEH: OK......I'm
following you so far, Lance.
I would like to follow this conversation, tired or not, through to
it's conclusion, should you permit me to do
so. DAVEH: Thank you for leading me by the
nose, Lance......please continue.
thanks,
Lance
Sent:
June 02, 2005 01:56
Subject:
Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH
DAVEH: I'm a little too slow (and too tired) to
ascertain your intended message, Lance. If you want me to
understand what you are trying to convey, put it in more simple terms
for this dunderhead.
Did Jesus' theology
nullify who God is as perceived by the Jews? As he said....he
didn't come to destroy the law, but rather fulfill
it.
FWIW.......It seems to me the Jews could
say something similar to you as to what you are saying to
me.......
YOU CANNOT PREACH THE GOD YOU
PREACH AND CALL YOURSELF GOD'S CHOSEN IN ANY HISTORIC
SENSE
.............You do realize this, do you
not?
Lance Muir wrote:
DaveH:I just re-read my question(s)
and, find them rather clear. Please try telling me what YOU THINK
I'm asking. Your analogy breaks down as it has to do with
Older/Newer Testaments and the Incarnation of Christ. What you've
(LDS) done is to have taken orthodox theology and nullified it with
a superceding revelation as to WHO THIS JESUS IS. You then, answer
the question posed by Jesus Himself in Lk 16 differently than every
genuinely Christian group on the face of the earth.YOU DO KNOW THAT,
DON't YOU? YOU CANNOT PREACH THE JESUS YOU PREACH AND CALL
YOURSELF CHRISTIAN IN ANY HISTORIC SENSE. YOU KNOW THIS ALSO DO YOU
NOT? I fear poor old CPL might've thought I was confused as to who
you actually are. I'M NOT!!
Why not take another run at it just for
my sake.
Sent:
June 01, 2005 10:06
Subject:
Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH
DAVEH: I'm not exactly sure of your question,
Lance.....But as I view it, the position of many TTers is
analogous to the Jews of Bible times. In the OT, Scripture
gave them a perception of God to which the staunchly held.
So firm in their convictions (as are many TTers), they had trouble
acknowledging the Lord when he finally appeared....why....because
he was more like them than they expected I suppose. Nor did
they buy into additional Scripture being added to Canon, which is
another similarity shared by TTers. Many also failed to
accept new commandments or recognize the NT prophets, rather
stubbornly holding fast to the eye for an eye prophets of the
past.
So.....is there really much
difference between the closed minds of the Jews of the Bible in
contrast to the way many TTers are receptive to anything outside
what they believe Scripture offers?
Lance Muir wrote:
Who are your teachers? What are their authorities? What
'teaching' concerning the nature/gospel of God issues from these
teachers and their teaching sources? Just how 'ultimate' IYO is
the James 1 experience?
IMO that which transpires herein (TT) is somewhat
comparable to the 1st and, early centuries between the various
factions who set out to answer such questions as those
concerning the canon of Scripture and, the nature of the Person
of Christ.
IMO there exists sufficient similarity between the Christ
believed/lived/preached on the part of the 'camp' of the
non-Mormons for them/us to be identified with the historic
'orthodox' wing of Christianity. The Mormon 'camp', having taken
on board supplementary 'scriptures' and, a new line of
'prophets' commencing with Joseph Smith, cannot but fall within
a 'non-orthodox' wing of Christianity.
Other than reversing my designations of
orthodox/non-orthodox, just how might you disagree with what
I've said? I should much like to hear from Dave and Blaine,
along with any 'lurkers' on this.
thanks,
Lance
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