> Do you find that this is a Bible principle that God > uses Heathen Pagans, Heretics especially when > conveying His word?
Yes, I beleive God can use whatever He chooses, including the Pagans and Heretics. God has used the UF Pagans several times when I was preaching to draw crowds and ask important questions. It is certainly a Biblical princible that God can and does use evil for His own purpose, Balaam's situation with the donkey being a good example. Or when Joseph's brothers sold him into slavery. That was pretty evil, and God used it. I think I recall in Philippians 1, where Paul speaks of some preaching Christ in "envy and strife." Paul just rejoices at this: "What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice." And I think I feel the same way. I do not like the NIV, I think it is a despicable translation, and I let my Christian brothers and sisters know why I prefer the KJV version. But the truth is, the NIV is a bible, and the Holy Spirit can use it. I don't like it, but Christ is still being preached through it and therein do I rejoice, yea, and will rejoice. Blessings --- Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > the Lord can and does use His word in all its > translations > > Do you find that this is a Bible principle that God > uses Heathen Pagans, Heretics especially when > conveying His word? > > God has used Donkeys, in the past. > > > Christine Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I agree, Lance, that the Lord can and does use His > word in all its translations, including the NIV with > its errors and sodomite commitee members. I have > found > that the newest generation overwhelmingly favors the > NIV translation, and when we are out preaching, many > college students by my side use the translation. > These > friends of mine have led people to Christ with the > NIV > Bible open in their lap. So, yes, God can and does > use > the errant translations. > > But just because the Holy Spirit is able to use any > translation does not mean that any and every > translation retains merit. God can use evil for > good, > as Joseph points out in Genesis 50. > > Whether or not God can use a translation doesn't > clear > up a translation's flaws. > > Blessings! > > (Man. Leave your e-mail unchecked for a weekend and > the next thing you know, you've got unread e-mails > up > to your eye balls. :-) ) > > --- Lance Muir wrote: > > > It is wise for one to remember that the Word of > God > > is Jesus Christ. It is also wise to remember that > > His (God's) Words do not return void. Take care, > > Kevin, not confuse your role with that of the > Spirit > > of God. I've found God to be at work EVEN THROUGH > > THE KJV! Just imagine! > > > > Speaking of 'imagine': Imagine yourself able to > see > > every believer at once on the entire globe. > Imagine > > them to be lit up like a little light. Then, > imagine > > yourself able to see the Bible (or portion > thereof) > > they had with them. How many of them do you > believe > > are carrying the KJV? Now, don't make a smart > > remark, please. Tell me what you make of that > > observation. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Kevin Deegan > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: June 02, 2005 16:48 > > Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz > > > > > > the work of Catholic scholars > > > > It is amazing how some can stand the facts on > > their head. > > > > The UBS text used for the Moderne Bibles: > > Jesuit cardinal Carlo Maria Martini (1927- ) is > > the Roman Catholic Archbishop of Milan. Since > 1967, > > has been one of the editors of the United Bible > > Societies Greek New Testament. His diocese in > Europe > > is the largest in the world, with two thousand > > priests and five million "laity." He is Professor > of > > New Testament Textual Criticism at the Pontifical > > Biblical Institute in Rome. He is also President > of > > the Council of European Bishop's Conferences. A > Time > > magazine, article reported that Martini brought > > together a syncretistic convocation of over 100 > > religious leaders from around the world to promote > a > > new age, one-world religion. In addressing this > > meeting, Mikhail Gorbachev said, "We need to > > synthesize a new religion for thinking men that > will > > universalize that religion for the world and lead > us > > into a new age." > > Bruce Metzger modernist and approved ROMANIST New > > Oxford Annotated Bible RSV 1973 The first edition > > 1962 was the first Protestant annotated edition of > > the Bible to be approved by a Roman authority. It > > was given an imprimatur in 1966 by Cardinal > Cushing, > > Archbishop of Boston, Massachusetts > > > > HERETICS Eugene Nida is the father of the > > blasphemous dynamic equivalency theory of Bible > > translation. Nida was the Executive Secretary of > the > > Translations Department of the United Bible > > Societies from 1943 to 1980. As to his view of > > biblical inspiration, Nida says, "... God's > > revelation involved limitations. ... Biblical > > revelation is not absolute and all divine > revelation > > is essentially incarnational. ... Even if a truth > is > > given only in words, it has no real validity until > > it has been translated into life. ... The words > are > > in a sense nothing in and of themselves. ... the > > word is void unless related to experience" (Nida, > > Message and Mission, p. 222-228). > > > > Kurt Aland "This idea of verbal inspiration (i.e., > > of the literal and inerrant inspiration of the > > text), which the orthodoxy of both Protestant > > traditions maintained so vigorously, was applied > to > > the Textus Receptus with all of its errors, > > including textual modifications of an obviously > > secondary character (as we recognize them today)" > > (Aland, The Problem of the New Testament Canon, > > 1962, pp. 6,7). > > > > > > BEWARE of these new versions! > > > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Normally when a host of scholars and translation > > committees using the most recent manuscript > > discoveries all agree against a publication that > is > > nearly 300 aol years old and the work of Catholic > > scholars (save the one lone Evangleical, King > > James), common wisdom would allow for the "new" > > translation. To use the KJV to condemn all the > > others is to pretend that there is something > special > > about the KJV bordiering on the inspired. Silly.. > > > > JD > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Kevin Deegan > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 05:53:27 -0700 (PDT) > > Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible > > Quiz > > > > > > A little poison along the way is NO PROBLEM! > > > > For those that have no discernment - ENJOY > > "Every word of God is pure" Prov. 30:5. > > The PURE Word of God???? > > (TLB) 1 Samuel 20:30: "You son of a bitch." > > NLT "stupid son of a whore." > > NJB and MSG "son of a rebellious slut" > > > > See if you can pick out the RIGHT ONE: > > RV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." > > ASV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." > > RSV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." > > NWT: "Elhanan...got to strike down Goliath." > > NASV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." > > NEB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." > > LB: "Elhanan...killed the brother of Goliath." > > GNB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath from Gath." > > NIV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath the Gittite." > > KJV: "Elhanan...slew the brother of Goliath." > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Well, He most certainly can. The message of > > grace is still there (that is where God does the > > work and you receive the blessings). The > > reconciliation of all things is still there > (that's > > where God does all the work and you receive the > > blessings). Christ still died for all, even if it > > was on a stick (that is where forgiveness is > === message truncated === __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/ ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
