Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

Fri, 10 Jun 2005 16:12:38 -0700

Of course he does.   HE MAKES US PERFECT BY CONSIDERATION  --  after that, we work to improve our state of affairs in the relationship we we have with Him.   We apparently are not that different.
 
Jd 
 
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From: Christine Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

JD wrote:
The Bible tells us that "faith is reckoned as righteousness."
 
That is true. Paul encourages us, however, to accept that, and move onto perfection (maturity):
 
Heb. 6:1-3
Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
   2Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
   3And this will we do, if God permit. 
God permitting, you will see my point. :-)

Blessings!

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-----Original Message-----
From: Judy Taylor <jandgtaylor1@juno.com>
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Sent: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 13:01:10 -0400
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

The notion that we pick of the Bible, read it and believe it apart from the process of evaluation and acceptance is simple not possible.  
 
jt: Why not? This is what was expected of Israel under the Old Covenant.  They were expected to hear and to obey - Not study it out and decide which parts they would accept.
 
Is your only purpose in Bible study to search for  command statements   I do not see the book as  a book of law  -- commands.   It is no longer a legal document. 
 
You can cast the project in whatever light you desire;  YOU play a role in what you believe the message says.   I have said it before and I say it again:  it is never "what the Bible says"  --  rather, it is always "what I believe the Bible says." 
 
jt: For you and Lance and those who think like you.  For me it is "what the scripture says" and I work on renewing my mind accordingly. 
 
Actually, this is not true.   You share what "you believe the bible says" exactly as I do.   It like breathing or sweating  --  you have no choice.  You simply do not accept ANYTHING into your intellectual/spiritual life apart from the process of evaluation and acceptance. 
 
And that is precisely why we need the gracious invention of God  ..................   He makes us correct IN HIS MIND while we DO the best that we can.  None on this forum has another approach regardless of the rhetoric. JD
 
jt: What do you mean "He makes us correct in his mind?"  Kind of like if I don't acknowledge it, it's not there?
I don't think so JD.  God has perfect eyesight and He is not doubleminded, not in the least.  jt
 
Amazing  --  anyway, "He makes us correct IN HIS MIND"  has nothing to do with
" ...if I don't acknowledge it, it's not true."   The Bible tells us that "faith is reckoned as righteousness."   That is an intellectual decision God makes on our behalf.    He sees faith and HE DECIDES to view it as if it were righteousness.  We are righteous IN HIS MIND. 

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