I do not love America more than I love God. Sorry that patriotism strikes you that way, and too bad you have none. Thanks for the lecture. You didn't address my issue, but that's normal. Izzy
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 9:30 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah Perhaps the more objective comments concerning Bush and America, though perhaps not fundamentalism, on TT have issued from Terry. I also found some objectivity from Bill Taylor. One wants to take care concerning a love for one's country (national 'ism') superceding love for one's Lord, Iz. As for identifying a fundamentalist (David Miller) as a 'fundy' well, it's just a matter of appropriate identification. Terry, IMO, wears it as a badge of honor whereas David attempts to deny it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org> Sent: June 15, 2005 11:03 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah > And you don't think that Bush bashing, America-hating, and calling us > "Fundies" falls into the same category of "profaning" the beliefs of others? > I didn't think we were being PC for some and not for others on TT. Izzy > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir > Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 4:39 AM > To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah > > Iz:Are your beliefs "profaned" by Dan Brown's "The Da Vinci Code"? > Terry recently indicated that he was close to 'taking a walk' from TT due to > the absence of real engagement between participants. > What would you you would consider to be "profaning" of another's beliefs? > I've critiqued DM epistemology. I've not mocked his claim to prophetic > office whereas others have. Were they employing "profanity" as you see it? > Will you raise the level of response above 'good grief' and 'I could throw > up'? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org> > Sent: June 14, 2005 17:22 > Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah > > > > Oh, good grief! What is this, Political Correctness 101? I could throw up. > > Hey Blaine are you beliefs "profaned" by the pitter patter of little > > feeties??? Or should our little feeties pitter patter around your > > sensitivities? Izzy > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir > > Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 12:23 PM > > To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org > > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah > > > > I may be as informed on the Mormon 'faith' as yourself. Some years back I > > discovered myself to have known more concerning the LDS than the majority > of > > those with whom I spoke. I do not think it necessary to profane what > others > > deem sacred. Do you? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org> > > Sent: June 14, 2005 13:41 > > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah > > > > > > > Lance, > > > > > > Thanks for your concern for Blaine and over the legitimacy and > > > sensitivity of my line of questioning. My reason for asking that > question > > is > > > two-fold. One is to relate to the rest of the group what potentially > > awaits > > > good mormon men who transition from men to gods and the women who may > get > > > chosen to be their eternal soirit wives. The second is to determine if > > > Blaine has any insight or opinoin into his grandfather's current state. > As > > > for the "pitter-patter" of spirit feet, I thought that was a cute quip > > based > > > on the parallel earthly phrase meaning the same thing when earthly human > > > children are born. > > > > > > It is a common mormon belief that mormons can become gods after they > > die, > > > have spirit wives, produce spirit babies, and populate a planet, just as > > > their current god, originally from the planet Kolob, did with his spirit > > > wives and this planet, Earth. I know several of his offspring...Satan, > > > Jesus, Dave, and Blaine, to name a few. I do not think that a mormon > would > > > find this question offensive, no more so would any Christian of whom I > > > askedof their deceased grandfatherr, "was he a believer", implying all > > that > > > we believe happens to a believer who dies. Besides, it is also possible > > that > > > Blaine had heard from his grandfather from beyond the grave, as he did a > > > great aunt, I believe it was, and knows the answer to these things. If > he > > > has received no message from his grandfather, then perhaps he has an > > opinion > > > relative to that question. For example, if he knows that his grandfather > > > performed all of the earthly works necessary to become a god, then he > mey > > > reply with certainty that he is in such a state, although he has not > heard > > > directly from him. And, since Blaine is a big boy, he can respond if he > > > wishes, or not. > > > > > > Perry > > > > > > > > > >From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org > > > >To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org> > > > >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah > > > >Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 12:57:12 -0400 > > > > > > > >Mr. Moderator: This is over the top and, not necessary. > > > > > > > >L > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org> > > > >Sent: June 13, 2005 23:26 > > > >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you think you Grandfather is a god now, with spirit wives, and > > > >possible > > > > > the pitter-patter of little spirit feet? > > > > > > > > > > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > >Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org > > > > > >To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org > > > > > >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah > > > > > >Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 19:15:05 EDT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >In a message dated 6/13/2005 2:09:44 PM Mountain Standard Time, > > > > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > >I would think that we all choose to believe whatever based upon > > our > > > >view > > > > > >of > > > > > > > > > > > > >the credibility of the "truth source" closest to us in terms of > > time > > > >and > > > > > > >space. I mean, if Blaine was "born a Mormon,' his first > source > > > >of > > > > > > >"truth" would be his parents. Who's he going to believe -- > his > > > > > >parents > > > > > > >or some guy standing cross the street waving underwear. And, by > > the > > > > > >time > > > > > > >he gets to a free thinking age, he already has such a > systematize > > > >faith > > > > > > >that little will prevail against it. THAT'S NORMAL. Blaine > > may > > > >or > > > > > >not > > > > > > >believe this -- but -------------------- THANK GOD WE DO NOT > > HAVE > > > >TO > > > > > >BE > > > > > > >RIGHT. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >JD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Blaine: Good, JD. I agree parents are critical in what children > > end > > > >up > > > > > >believing. I am very fortunate to have had good advice and > guidance > > > >from > > > > > >my mom > > > > > >and dad. My grandpa was also very influential, mostly by his > > > >example. > > > > > >He > > > > > >served two missions (LDS) to Norway, and another one to Spokane, > > > > > >Washington. > > > > > >He recorded many miraculous healings, casting out of devils, etc. > in > > > >his > > > > > >writings. He was a Judge in regular life, and often required > those > > he > > > >saw > > > > > >in > > > > > >court to go to church, the denomination being left to them. He > was > > > >always > > > > > >in > > > > > >favor of religious training, regardless of the belief system. Any > > > >belief > > > > > >that > > > > > >advocates Christian values, he felt, was better than the value > > systems > > > > > >that > > > > > >got people into trouble with the law. 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