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I believe that SP's should obey God and if he leads
them to the front of a Mosque then He will take care of them there because His
grace will not lead them where He can not keep them. My response to your
second question is Yes! because both revelations came from an
"angel of light" in clear violation of scripture ie: "But
though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that
which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed (under a curse)"
jt
Thanks for this. So then, you believe that an SP
should place her/himself outside a Mosque so as to 'confront' those going in?
Do you Judy, believe that this system (Islam) has at it's root Satan as you
believe of Mormonism? If you do then surely you believe that an SP, bullhorn
and placard in hand, 'confront'?
The point I see at the beginning is one of
"contention" and this is not good or acceptable in a Church setting
among believers because love should cover until
we all come into the unity of the faith. However, when confronting
false systems it can not be avoided. Why do
you think Paul had so many problems with legalistic Jews who followed him
and the other apostles to stir things up and why was he forced to leave Ephesus the way he did? jt
I'm confident that you wouldn't be
INTENTIONALLY EVASIVE so, please answer the question as asked. Employing
the 'model' (placards, bullhorns etc.)provided for us by DM & Kevin
vis a vis the Super Bowl, Mardis Gras and, outside the Temple in Salt Lake
City, would they do the same thing outside a mosque (a Muslim place of
worship) and, if not then, whey not?
Do revisit what kicked this discussion off.
There is a serious point to be made here.
I don't know about DavidM but I'm sure Kevin
and Ruben have encountered Muslims in their SP travels. I figure
it
would be tit for tat (with truth on their side)
since Muslims call everyone and everything Western "the great
Satan" My Scots friend tells me that in
the UK the Muslims have taken over and that now the Red Cross will not
put anything Christian out at Christmas for
fear of offending them. Her brother in Manchester England says he
will not give the Red Cross another cent because of it and he isn't even religious.
jt
I do not have a problem with 'exposure'.
I don't think that that is Dave's point though.
May I suggest that an equal. if not
greater, danger to believers lies within Islam. Could you imagine
David Miller or Kevin going to Mosques and, utilizing bullhorns,
villify the attendants by addressing THEM as servants of
Satan?
I would think it would be more like
Jeremiah (see Jer 13:1,2); this is obviously a one time object
lesson to
the part of Israel Jeremiah was ministering
to rather than a pattern of behavior for all time. However,
part of public proclamation of Truth by nature involves exposing the
lie of the false gods which of
course will be offensive to those who worship them. Why do
you have such a problem with this?
jt
Elijah.
Can you give us a "for instance"
DaveH? jt
DAVEH:
As I understand your position (and please correct me
if I am misunderstanding your position), many
Christians (specifically you, in this instance)
believe that everything written in the Bible is
specifically applicable to Christians
today. So, if a prophet of the Bible used
a technique of mocking, that means it is OK for you to
do the same thing. If a prophet of God in the
Bible is commanded to go preach on the streets, you
assume that instruction applies to you as well....is
that correct, Kevin?
To me,
that isn't logical at all. Just as what he
compelled the prophets of the OT to do was not
necessarily applicable to the prophets of the NT, what
the Lord wants us to do today may or may not be what
he wants us to do today. It
seems to me that the Lord over time has commanded
various people to do things that he may not have
commanded at a subsequent time or other
peoples. Hope that makes some
sense.....
Kevin Deegan wrote:
DAVEH: And because some of the
early prophets mocked with God's blessing, you
believe it is your right to do so as well?
Isn't that stretching logic a bit beyond it's
breaking point?
NO
How so?
Kevin
Deegan wrote:
Yes, but where they "Contending for the
faith"? DAVEH: What do you
think they were disputi9ng if it wasn't their
perspecdtive of the faith? Don't you think
they were arguing the truth as they saw it,
perhaps in the same way it is done on TT
occassionally?
Please show me where God admonished Paul,
for his "much
contention" DAVEH: My last
post about admonishment was regarding the
bickering (if that's the proper word for it)
Christians who Paul admonished.
If you were an apostle
as was Paul and admonished me for arguing about
theology, I would pay heed. But I don't
think you've even claimed to be an apostle,
Kevin. (Am I wrong on that?)
>From my perspective you seem to be one who is
contributing to the contention. Why do you
think Paul's admonishment not to contend (Titus
3:9) doesn't apply to you? Isn't it just a
matter of perspective? If another TTer were
to argue against your understanding of whatever
doctrine, why do you think you would be in the
right and he would be in the wrong? Do you
sincerely believe you are right on all your points
of doctrine, or do you allow you may at times be
wrong?
Show me where Elijah was admonished in the
scriptures for MOCKING.
In fact right after Elijah Mocking the
prophets of Baal, God answered his
prayer. DAVEH: And because
some of the early prophets mocked with God's
blessing, you believe it is your right to do so as
well? Isn't that stretching logic a bit
beyond it's breaking point?
God Mocks
Prov 1:26
Because I have called, and ye
refused... But ye
have set at nought all my counsel, and would
none of my reproof: I also
will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when
your fear
comethDave Hansen
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
DAVEH:
Were not a lot of early Christians in
contention, and admonished for it?
Kevin
Deegan wrote:
No read the scriptures. They were "IN God"
with MUCH Contention. Dave Hansen
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
DAVEH:
Do you suppose that could have been one of
Paul's faults?
Kevin Deegan
wrote:
> By the way did you know that
Paul was VERY
CONTENTIOUS?
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