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Thanks for this. So then, you believe that an SP
should place her/himself outside a Mosque so as to 'confront' those going in? Do
you Judy, believe that this system (Islam) has at it's root Satan as you believe
of Mormonism? If you do then surely you believe that an SP, bullhorn and placard
in hand, 'confront'?
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Sent: June 20, 2005 07:32
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hill
Cumorah
The point I see at the beginning is one of
"contention" and this is not good or acceptable in a Church setting among
believers because love should cover until we all
come into the unity of the faith. However, when confronting false
systems it can not be avoided. Why do you
think Paul had so many problems with legalistic Jews who followed him and the
other apostles to stir things up and why was he forced to leave Ephesus the way he did? jt
I'm confident that you wouldn't be
INTENTIONALLY EVASIVE so, please answer the question as asked. Employing the
'model' (placards, bullhorns etc.)provided for us by DM & Kevin vis a
vis the Super Bowl, Mardis Gras and, outside the Temple in Salt Lake City,
would they do the same thing outside a mosque (a Muslim place of worship)
and, if not then, whey not?
Do revisit what kicked this discussion off.
There is a serious point to be made here.
I don't know about DavidM but I'm sure Kevin and
Ruben have encountered Muslims in their SP travels. I figure
it
would be tit for tat (with truth on their side)
since Muslims call everyone and everything Western "the great Satan"
My Scots friend tells me that in the UK the
Muslims have taken over and that now the Red Cross will not put anything
Christian out at Christmas for fear of
offending them. Her brother in Manchester England says he will not
give the Red Cross another cent because of it
and he isn't even religious. jt
I do not have a problem with 'exposure'. I
don't think that that is Dave's point though.
May I suggest that an equal. if not
greater, danger to believers lies within Islam. Could you imagine
David Miller or Kevin going to Mosques and, utilizing bullhorns, villify
the attendants by addressing THEM as servants of Satan?
I would think it would be more like Jeremiah
(see Jer 13:1,2); this is obviously a one time object lesson
to
the part of Israel Jeremiah was ministering
to rather than a pattern of behavior for all time. However, part
of public proclamation of Truth by nature involves exposing the lie
of the false gods which of course will
be offensive to those who worship them. Why do you have such a problem with this? jt
Elijah.
Can you give us a "for instance"
DaveH? jt
DAVEH:
As I understand your position (and please correct me if
I am misunderstanding your position), many Christians
(specifically you, in this instance) believe that
everything written in the Bible is specifically
applicable to Christians today. So, if a
prophet of the Bible used a technique of mocking, that
means it is OK for you to do the same thing. If a
prophet of God in the Bible is commanded to go preach on
the streets, you assume that instruction applies to you
as well....is that correct,
Kevin?
To me, that isn't
logical at all. Just as what he compelled the
prophets of the OT to do was not necessarily applicable
to the prophets of the NT, what the Lord wants us to do
today may or may not be what he wants us to do
today. It seems to me that the
Lord over time has commanded various people to do things
that he may not have commanded at a subsequent time or
other peoples. Hope that makes some
sense.....
Kevin Deegan wrote:
DAVEH: And because some of the
early prophets mocked with God's blessing, you believe
it is your right to do so as well? Isn't that
stretching logic a bit beyond it's breaking
point?
NO
How so?
Kevin
Deegan wrote:
Yes, but where they "Contending for the
faith"? DAVEH: What do you
think they were disputi9ng if it wasn't their
perspecdtive of the faith? Don't you think
they were arguing the truth as they saw it, perhaps
in the same way it is done on TT occassionally?
Please show me where God admonished Paul, for
his "much contention" DAVEH:
My last post about admonishment was regarding the
bickering (if that's the proper word for it)
Christians who Paul admonished.
If you were an apostle as
was Paul and admonished me for arguing about
theology, I would pay heed. But I don't think
you've even claimed to be an apostle,
Kevin. (Am I wrong on that?)
>From my perspective you seem to be one who is
contributing to the contention. Why do you
think Paul's admonishment not to contend (Titus 3:9)
doesn't apply to you? Isn't it just a matter
of perspective? If another TTer were to argue
against your understanding of whatever doctrine, why
do you think you would be in the right and he would
be in the wrong? Do you sincerely believe you
are right on all your points of doctrine, or do you
allow you may at times be wrong?
Show me where Elijah was admonished in the
scriptures for MOCKING.
In fact right after Elijah Mocking the
prophets of Baal, God answered his
prayer. DAVEH: And because
some of the early prophets mocked with God's
blessing, you believe it is your right to do so as
well? Isn't that stretching logic a bit beyond
it's breaking point?
God Mocks
Prov 1:26
Because I have called, and ye
refused... But ye have
set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my
reproof: I also will laugh
at your calamity; I will mock when your fear
comethDave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
DAVEH:
Were not a lot of early Christians in
contention, and admonished for it?
Kevin
Deegan wrote:
No read the scriptures. They were "IN God"
with MUCH Contention. Dave Hansen
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
DAVEH:
Do you suppose that could have been one of
Paul's faults?
Kevin Deegan
wrote:
> By the way did you know that
Paul was VERY
CONTENTIOUS?
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