Sent:
June 21, 2005 06:34
Subject:
Re: [TruthTalk] Contention
Thats it?
The way you been squeling I thought it might be a biggie,
Seems you have missed the post about "creator"
1) In short Did Jesus create everything that was made?
(every planet, every atom HB 11:3)Through faith
we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that
things which are seen were not made of things which
do appear.
2) Did he create out of nothing or just Organized what
already existed?
3) Did others have a part or did he create it all by
himself?
4) Did Jesus create Satan or are they brothers?
From a Mormon:
Mormons believe that Jesus, Satan, and all mankind were
present with Heavenly Father before the world was created.
If you can clarify here, you can establish your claims go
ahead.
As I said before if I am ANTI Mormon then you are ANTI
Christian!
There are plenty of others that see this too.
The word "anti-Mormon" is what's called a "thought-terminating
cliché," or in other words, an Orwellian "newspeak" term. The
purposeful use of a word like this is a subtle brainwashing (or
"conditioning," if "brainwashing" is too strong of an _expression_)
technique. By arbitrarily branding all so-called "opponents" with a
word specifically designed to create a mental aversion,
the leadership of an organization cues their membership
to subconsciously censor themselves every time they
use the word. This is a common tactic employed by
authoritarian organizations which seek to reduce the flow of
information to their followers.
Games Mormon
People Play The Strategies and
Diversions of Latter-day Saint Apologists
Maybe a better definition is “A name usually attributed to
‘Bible Christians’ who try to evangelize Mormons.
Oftentimes Mormons accuse such people of being motivated by hatred and
bigotry.”
"Why do the Elders of the Church hold their
peace, instead of contradicting the various falsehoods, which are
published concerning them and their principles? The answer is, it would
require a standing army of writers and printers in constant employ; for
no sooner are our enemies detected in one falsehood, than a thousand
more are put in circulation by them: and there are many who
love a lie so much more than the truth, that we are quite
willing they should enjoy their strong delusion." (Parley P. Pratt, Mormonism
Unveiled, 1838)
Is this site then calling all those
listed in the links that follow Lovers of Lies?
Seems the real problem with John Ankerberg is
maybe he really does not have all those degress another Lover of LIES!
This Mormon site calls the Tanners ANTI not because of any
UNTRUTH but because the facts they present portrays the Church in an
unfavorable light. During the Hoffman escapade it was the Tanners that
got it right from the start!
http://www.lightplanet.com/mormons/response/general/Publications_EOM.htm During
the 1950s, 1960s, and early 1970s, the Church had a generally favorable
public image as reflected in the news media. That image became more
negative in the later 1970s and the early 1980s. Church opposition to
the equal rights amendment and the excommunication of Sonia Johnson for
apostasy, the Church's position with respect to priesthood and blacks
(changed in 1978), a First Presidency statement opposing the MX
missile, the John Singer episode including the bombing of an LDS
meetinghouse, tensions between some historians and Church leaders, the
forged "Salamander" letter, and the other Mark Hofmann forgeries and
murders have provided grist for negative press and television
commentary. The political leverage of the Church and its financial
holdings have also been subjects of articles with a strong negative
orientation.
Apostle Oaks " ‘When we say anything
bad about the leaders of the Church, whether true or false,
we tend to impair their influence and their usefulness and are thus
working against the Lord and his cause.’ In Conference Report,
Apr. 1947, p. 24." Address to Church Educational System teachers, Aug.
16, 1985.
So if you speak Truth and it is against the leaders
of the church, it is "working against the Lord"?
Apostle Oaks "Thus, if Mormon Enigma
reveals information that is detrimental to the reputation of Joseph
Smith, then it is necessary to try to limit its influence and that of
its authors."
In what ways do you think Apostle oaks would LIMIT
the influence of the Author?
Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
DAVEH:
Here are two recent ones.......
Then why is everyone witha criticism of the church an
"ANTI"
.............and the other is when you implied that
I believe Jesus is
not the Creator
.........Both the above comments are in error, and I've asked you to
acknowledge such. For some strange reason, you seem to be reluctant to
admit your error. That makes me wonder why you would want to continue
promulgating these lies. Wouldn't it just be easier to admit that you
were wrong? Or....do you sincerely believe you are right in both
assertions? If so, then I am somewhat amazed that you would stare
truth in the face and deny it.
Kevin Deegan wrote:
spreading false information is sullying their
reputation more than it
is promoting their message..
I have asked for examples of misleading before, you failed to provide
them. Your false allegations continue.
Go ahead list all these falsehoods. Or stop lying.
Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Kevin Deegan wrote:
Yes I have missionaries stop to talk or say hello
all over the US.
They say "hey remember me" stuff like that.
Some I see every GC, every pag.
There is no misapprehension of where I stand they
understand it clearly, that it does not mean we are enemies!
DAVEH: I'm happy to hear that, Kevin. I'd like to think you aren't
spoiling for a fight.
Am I become your enemy
because I tell you the Truth?
DAVEH: I don't view you as an enemy of mine, Kevin, despite your
attempt to foster falsehoods about what I believe.
