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From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!)
On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 11:22:53 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Jesus is accused of fellowshipping with sinners and He defends this practice - he does not
explain it away (Matt 9:11ff)
Jesus is accused of fellowshipping with sinners and He defends this practice - he does not
explain it away (Matt 9:11ff)
DM: I don't find any accusation of fellowship with sinners in this passage.
JD: Eating and reclining with sinners is fellowship.
jt: Would you also call a business luncheon (ie swimming with the sharks) fellowship JD? In John 2:24 we are told that "Jesus did not commit himself unto them (the ppl who believed on his name because of the miracles they saw), because he knew all men (or he knew what was in all men); we need to go with His version of the meaning of the word fellowship. Reclining and eating is the "swimming with the sharks," Those who are "righteous" tend to be self-righteous. Those who are sinners, tend to know they are screwed up. Whatever the widom of His ministry, it cannot be said that he did not for the sinner, nor can it be said that hHe did not associate with them.
DM: Thequestion is posed why he eats with sinners. Fellowship implies a sharing ofcommon interests and goals. Jesus says he was not having fellowship with them. He was eating with them to call them to repentance. Surely you understand this difference. they needed what He possessed -- hence "commonality."
JD: I just spent the entire day with my son -- teaching him what he does not know but what he has need to know .......... I call this fellowship.
Matthew 9:13
"... for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance." His purpose in fellowshipping with sinners is clearly stated. I agree. But, and this is my point, he did not use drive by techniques that kept Him isolated and, thus, "untainted," from the "world." rather, it was out of a continuing feelowship with these people that he made many of His disciples.
"... for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance." His purpose in fellowshipping with sinners is clearly stated. I agree. But, and this is my point, he did not use drive by techniques that kept Him isolated and, thus, "untainted," from the "world." rather, it was out of a continuing feelowship with these people that he made many of His disciples.
jt: I don't know what your son has to do with this other than being your son JD but Jesus kept Himself holy, undefiled and separate from sinners (Hebrews 7:26) or He would not have been fit to go to the cross in our place and represent us before the Father today. Remember bad company corrupts good morals. jt If you do not understand my illustration using my son - let's just move on, shall we. I consider my illustration to be fairly obvious, in view of the fact that I actually make the application in my post. Obviously, I did not do as good a job as I had supposed, but it was the best I could do.
JD
Peace be with you.
David Miller.
David Miller.
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