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From: David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 18:26:40 -0400
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!)
David Miller wrote: >> Matthew 11:20 (20) Then began he to upbraid >> the cities wherein most of his mighty works >> were done, because they repented not: John wrote: > How he handled "leadership" is one thing. > "upbraidng the cities" is a picture of Christ's > conflict with those in charge. Well who do you think the sinners were? Primarily the sinners were found among the leadership, were they not? Perhaps you and I have different people in mind when we think of sinners. I think first and foremost of those Pharisees, Sadduccees, and scribes who ultimately crucified Jesus.
I am not sure as to what you see as a problem. Sounds like you agree with me. Is that the problem? John wrote: > Do you assume that I am preaching a sinning and sinful > Jesus - bent on that kind of partnership with sinners? No, I don't think you perceive Jesus to be a sinning Jesus, but you do seem to see him as someone who communed closely with sinners, being buddies with them. If you want to use an emotional charged word (buddies) go ahead. That is not the word I would use.
In a previous post you wrote the following: John wrote: > The church will die in this day and time if it cannot learn > to draw the carnal and the worldly into its influence. Such a statement greatly disturbs me. Churches, for the most part, have tried to attract the carnal and worldly into its circle. The result has been terrible. It has brought the churches into sin rather than righteousness into the world. When Paul heard about the Corinthians tolerating a fornicator in their midst, he immediately instructed them to cast him out from among them. Do you believe that Paul's advice on this was right? You move from the inclusion of sinners to the compromising tolerance of sinners. Do you
think this is what I have been talking about -- a compromising tolerance of sinners ??!! In what way are we to walk in Christ's example who separated himself from sinners? I do not believe that he did this -- if you mean that they were not a part of
His everyday ministry and company.
Can you explain your perspective on this in practical terms? Have you ever excommunicated someone from your church because of unrepented sin? Have you ever rebuked sinners? How does this operate in your life? Let's just stay on point. This group
does not want to here about me. I certianly don't. I do too much of that anyway. Back to the
point of the discussion, please. Hebrews 7:26 (26) For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, SEPARATE FROM SINNERS, and made higher than the heavens; Do you think I teach against this ??!! Peace be with you. David Miller. ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
