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I don't recall mentioning any names, Judy. Hey
Perry: what about those of us who are not omniscient, should we avoid the ad
homs against the theologians, prophets, and kings of another's
argumentation?
Bill
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 10:17
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] ** Moderator
commant **
The problem here is huge since the person
described below is not a theologian. Rather he is a
prophet/king
chosen by God whose recorded words are inspired
by the Spirit of God. Big difference. jt
The Moderator responds > . .
.those arguments, too, should have to stand on the facts of Calvin's
argument, not on personal attacks on Calvin.
You don't say! Hmmmmmm. If you were ever to
enforce this one, it would render some of us speechless. Just think how
it would affect the traffic here on TruthTalk if participants were required
to actually research, contemplate, and address the substance of
theological statements, instead of dismissing them out-of-hand
simply because the theologian seduced and slept with another man's
wife and then, to cover his crime, had him sent to the front lines to be
murdered -- I think you should go for it.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 9:03
AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] ** Moderator commant
**
> Bill,
>
> In TT we are trying to prevent
discussions from becoming emotional in
> nature because of demeaning
and hurtful statements, so it applies directly
> to the persons with
whom we are immeditaly engaging in debate.
>
>
However, from a debating point of view if one chooses to bring in
>
arguments made by another, say Calvin, those arguments, too, should have to
> stand on the facts of Calvin's argument, not on personal attacks on
Calvin.
>
> Perry
>
> >From: "Bill Taylor"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>Reply-To: [email protected]
> >To: <[email protected]>
> >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] ** Moderator commant
**
> >Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 08:29:28 -0600
> >
>
>Hi Perry, I am impressed by your sincerity and humility. Thanks for
the
> >great example to the rest of us.
> >
> >I
have a question for you. You write that "Specifically, 'ad hominem
>
>argumentum', [which is what is mentioned on the TT discussions
guidelines
> >page] refers to trying to gain an edge in an
argument by attacking the
> >person rather than the topic, again,
regardless whether it is true or
> >false.' Does this apply only to
the one with whom one is arguing, or does
> >it
> >apply
as well to attacks against the person of persons whom one might
>
>reference in constructing ones arguments. For example, a dismissal of
John
> >Calvin's views on election via an attack against him as a
person, i.e., his
> >dealings with Servatis; or a dismissal of the
content and substance of the
> >Nicene Creed because it was
formulated by supposedly corrupt Roman
> >Catholics -- are these ad
hominem arguments acceptable forms of
> >argumentation on
TruthTalk?
> >
> >Bill
> >----- Original Message
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> >From: "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>To: <[email protected]>
> >Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 8:03 AM
>
>Subject: [TruthTalk] ** Moderator commant **
> >
>
>
> > > TT members,
> > >
> >
> I have been contacted by email privately and informed
that my
> >referring
> > > to DaveH as a "sly ol'
mormon boy" was an ad hominem reference. After
> >some
>
> > discussion back and forth, and some research, I am convinced
that it is
> >so
> > > and that I need to apologize to
Dave.
> > >
> > > I previously
thought that if one merely stated a belief about someone
> > >
that was true, that it was not an ad hominem statement, but upon doing
a
> > > little researh I discovered that it does not matter
whether it is true
> >or
> > > not...an ad hominem
reference is a comment "to the man", so saying
> >anything
>
> > about anyone personally, whether true or not, positive or
negative, is
> >an
> >ad
> > > hominem
reference. If I were to say, "John, I really think you are a
>
>smart
> > > guy", that is an ad hominem reference, too,
because it is directed at
> > > someone personally.
> >
>
> > > However, on TT I think it is
a little more specific in that TT
> >wishes
> >to
>
> > avoid the NEGATIVE ad hominem reference, that is, one that the
receiver
> >of
> > > the comment would find insulting.
Dave indicated in a post that he
> >thought
> > > "sly
ol' mormon boy" was an ad hominem reference.
> > >
> >
> So, with this in mind, Dave, I apologize to you for
making an
> >ad-hominem
> > > reference.
> >
>
> > > The above is a very general
interpretation of "ad hominem".
> >Specifically,
> > >
"ad hominem argumentum", [which is what is mentioned on the TT
>
>discussions
> > > guidelines page] refers to trying to
gain an edge in an argument by
> > > attacking the person rather
than the topic, again, regardless whether it
> >is
> >
> true or false.
> > >
> > >
Even though I am acting as moderator, I, too, am prone to making
>
> > inappropriate remarks at times, and I welcome private email from
anyone
> >that
> > > would like to point out such
comments. If we have only one watcher, who
> > > watches the
watcher? While I moderate the group, the group moderates me.
> >
>
> > > Perry the Moderator
> > >
> >
>
> > > ----------
> > > "Let your speech be
always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may
> >know how you
ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6)
>
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> >----------
> >"Let
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>
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