Izzy wrote > Perry, how does that relate to JSmith and the mormons? I believe the fact that he was an adulterer totally discredits his credentials as a prophet of god.
How then were King David's credentials any better? Ought he be disqualified by the same criterion? Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 4:42 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] ** Moderator commant ** > I believe the fact > that he was an adulterer totally discredits his credentials as a prophet of > god. Izzy > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Perry Locke > Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 9:03 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] ** Moderator commant ** > > Bill, > > In TT we are trying to prevent discussions from becoming emotional in > nature because of demeaning and hurtful statements, so it applies directly > to the persons with whom we are immeditaly engaging in debate. > > However, from a debating point of view if one chooses to bring in > arguments made by another, say Calvin, those arguments, too, should have to > stand on the facts of Calvin's argument, not on personal attacks on Calvin. > > Perry > > >From: "Bill Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [email protected] > >To: <[email protected]> > >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] ** Moderator commant ** > >Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 08:29:28 -0600 > > > >Hi Perry, I am impressed by your sincerity and humility. Thanks for the > >great example to the rest of us. > > > >I have a question for you. You write that "Specifically, 'ad hominem > >argumentum', [which is what is mentioned on the TT discussions guidelines > >page] refers to trying to gain an edge in an argument by attacking the > >person rather than the topic, again, regardless whether it is true or > >false.' Does this apply only to the one with whom one is arguing, or does > >it > >apply as well to attacks against the person of persons whom one might > >reference in constructing ones arguments. For example, a dismissal of John > >Calvin's views on election via an attack against him as a person, i.e., his > >dealings with Servatis; or a dismissal of the content and substance of the > >Nicene Creed because it was formulated by supposedly corrupt Roman > >Catholics -- are these ad hominem arguments acceptable forms of > >argumentation on TruthTalk? > > > >Bill > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: <[email protected]> > >Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 8:03 AM > >Subject: [TruthTalk] ** Moderator commant ** > > > > > > > TT members, > > > > > > I have been contacted by email privately and informed that my > >referring > > > to DaveH as a "sly ol' mormon boy" was an ad hominem reference. After > >some > > > discussion back and forth, and some research, I am convinced that it is > >so > > > and that I need to apologize to Dave. > > > > > > I previously thought that if one merely stated a belief about someone > > > that was true, that it was not an ad hominem statement, but upon doing a > > > little researh I discovered that it does not matter whether it is true > >or > > > not...an ad hominem reference is a comment "to the man", so saying > >anything > > > about anyone personally, whether true or not, positive or negative, is > >an > >ad > > > hominem reference. If I were to say, "John, I really think you are a > >smart > > > guy", that is an ad hominem reference, too, because it is directed at > > > someone personally. > > > > > > However, on TT I think it is a little more specific in that TT > >wishes > >to > > > avoid the NEGATIVE ad hominem reference, that is, one that the receiver > >of > > > the comment would find insulting. Dave indicated in a post that he > >thought > > > "sly ol' mormon boy" was an ad hominem reference. > > > > > > So, with this in mind, Dave, I apologize to you for making an > >ad-hominem > > > reference. > > > > > > The above is a very general interpretation of "ad hominem". > >Specifically, > > > "ad hominem argumentum", [which is what is mentioned on the TT > >discussions > > > guidelines page] refers to trying to gain an edge in an argument by > > > attacking the person rather than the topic, again, regardless whether it > >is > > > true or false. > > > > > > Even though I am acting as moderator, I, too, am prone to making > > > inappropriate remarks at times, and I welcome private email from anyone > >that > > > would like to point out such comments. If we have only one watcher, who > > > watches the watcher? While I moderate the group, the group moderates me. > > > > > > Perry the Moderator > > > > > > > > > ---------- > > > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may > >know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) > >http://www.InnGlory.org > > > > > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a > >friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. > > > > > > > > >---------- > >"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may > >know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) > >http://www.InnGlory.org > > > >If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. 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