John,
What say ye of those who never believed that Jesus is the Son of God, or
that he died for their sins, or that they even need a savior, and who never
repented?
While we know that Jesus atoned for thier sins, too, they may not even
know that, and if they do, may not believe it, acknowledge it, or think it
necessary, perhaps thinking that salvation is of no consequence to them
after they die, and maybe even thinking they are saved because "they are a
good person", or because "everyone will be saved".
I am afraid I see Terry's point much clearer than yours on this.
Is it possible that the "sinners" you guys are discussing are two
divergent groups? Could you be talking about "all sinners who repent", and
Terry about "all sinners, those who repent and those who do not (i.e., all
humans)"?
Perry
Terry wrote:
"If you are simply saying that He calls us to follow while we are yet
filthy sinners, I am with you. You don't have to clean up your act for
God to want you in His family, but you ain't gonna be in the family if you
stay the way He found you. I would hope you would agree."
then John responded:
"What gets us saved keeps us saved. If faith apart from obedience to law,
if an exchange of faith for personal righteousness, if death on the cross
while we were yet sinners applies to us today and again in the future, if
we are , in deed, saved by His effort saves as a sovereign effort -- then
he saves us (accepts us) just as we are. This business of "if you stay
the way He found you" is an impossibility!!!"
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