Re: [TruthTalk] Christian Perfection

[knpraise]

I am currently transcribing a graduate course on "first world (that's us) re-evangelization."   What Gary is saying, below is the very point of the first 5 sessions.   The two profs take the position that a truer biblical division  (more so than the OT and the NT) is Gen. 1-11 and Gen 12 to the end of the Revelation. 

They see a cycle of activity - grace, sin , judgment, and grace once again.   A& E had the grace of the garden, their sin, God's judgments on each and the grace of allowing them to live and continue their lives.  Cain was graced with a family , his sin against Able, God's judgment and grace again (protection from others for Cain.   ....................    right down the line to Babel....   We have the grace of community, the sin of man going it alone without God, God's judgment  (dispersion) and,  and ,  and,,,,,  Abraham !!   If we see Abraham as just another story of great men, that is one thing.   But if we see Abraham as the 2nd grace  --  the end of the cycle -  the answer to the very judgments of God HImself  --   and that this 4th cycle is th e rest of human history  ---  wow, it is all so very different.  

 

Jd 

 
-----Original Message-----
From: Debbie Sawczak <debbie@kest.com>
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 23:42:53 -0400
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christian Perfection

I am appreciating what you have written, G. I enjoy your rare forays into explicitude.

 

Debbie

 

----- Original Message -----

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Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 5:35 PM

Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christian Perfection

consistently, there is no NT segment where law and grace are considered on equal footing--grace has always existed--law 'was added' in (a) time, for a particular historical context (Rom 5:20)

 

grace which transcends history is exclusive of law in every NT context where they appear together

 

Rom 6:14, 15 has always been true--there, grace is not dependant on anyone's explanation/s 

 

grace, perennialy present, cannot be 'set aside' (Gal 2:21), certainly not for any/one's temporal laws

 

grace, not law which had to be added later, was God's guide in dealing w/ Abraham (Gal 3:18)--hundreds of years before Sinai which even Moses' and his brother Aaron and sister Miriam defied, even while God's grace overcame them

 

indeed some ppl abandon grace or turn away from grace for law practices, like you want us to do (illicitly, acc to the NT, Gal 5:4)

 

forget it

 

 in sum, grace has nothing to do with law except in slick but confusing semi-dispensational thinking like yours

 

..by faith we eagerly await through the Spirit the righteousness for which we hope.
 For in Christ Jesus..The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love..

(Gal 5)

 

g

 

 

 

On Mon, 4 Jul 2005 14:28:15 -0400 "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>Man's covenant under law is what has changed, not the law per se.