Re: [TruthTalk] Re:Perichoresis & 4th century theologians

Mon, 04 Jul 2005 22:59:09 -0700

Ah yes !!  The irresistible presnese of God.   
 
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From: Debbie Sawczak <debbie@kest.com>
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Sent: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 01:20:11 -0400
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:Perichoresis & 4th century theologians

Judy, Judy, it is so heartbreaking to hear you. You say these things with such certainty and finality, but you really have no idea who or what you are talking about. You are so blind now on this, but I am confident that one day you will recognize your brothers and sisters and the vitality and sureness of their relationship with Christ, just as you and yours are recognized. The gospel is so incredible, what we have been given is so deep and wide, we never finish seeing it all. When I think about what God has accomplished in Christ, I can't not worship. I want to live in that good news with everything that I am. 
 
Bless you
Debbie
 
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Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 5:56 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:Perichoresis & 4th century theologians

jt: Looks like you have the majority vote Lance, one thing for sure though is that it's a different god you all know
and your Jesus has a different voice than the one some others of us have been hearing.  Of one thing we can be sure
which is that "the disease will eventually declare itself".  In your economy that may not matter since everyone makes it.
In God's economy however .......
 
On Mon, 4 Jul 2005 03:55:57 -0400 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Jt says that 'the perichoresis theologians..don't..know God'. I know some of them as do Bill, John, Debbie, Caroline and Jonathan. We are IMO in sync when we say that they most assuredly DO know God.
 
We are back to my comments from yesterday. What is the point of such exchanges? How do they rise above 'Oh ya?'
Some very perceptive comments have issued from the hearts and minds of such as Bill, John, Debbie, Caroline and, Gary.
 
I perceive you, David and Iz to be true and faithful followers of the One True God through Christ. Are you all somehow spiritually disabled when it comes to discerning the same concerning those named above?
 
Of course you don't think it is to be avoided JD because you embrace the concepts the "perichoresis"  theologians promote.
However, I don't believe they know God or that the 4th Century creed makers had an accurate view of Him either.  Knowing Him is important so far as relationship is concerned.  jt
 
On Sun, 03 Jul 2005 16:44:44 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I understand, Judy.   I think you did not address my post and the "dance" as a way of _expression_ or life  --   not an actual four-step saunder across the floor.   And It is not complicated, at all  -- not to me.   If the passages listed below present this happy ontological alternative  --  surely it is an easy thing to see God, His Son and His Spirit as intertwined with each other in a fully joyous _expression_  --  no negatives whatsoever   --  King  David could have easily described this as a dance.      I do not see it as a concept to be libeled or avoided.      
 

From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
We are starting to complicate things again JD.  I have no problem with choirs and/or dancing as an act of worship
by creation in honor of Creator - didn't Jesus say that if we fail to praise that the rocks would cry out?  However,
the Godhead dancing with itself or dancing with each other is another matter entirely and I would like to see some
clear precedent for this in God's Word.   judyt
 
On Sun, 03 Jul 2005 15:56:47 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Well,  I think that if you can have your "symphony,"  others can have their "dance"  (of life).  Your choice of  words has no more authority others.   DM imagines "great dance" to be "unbiblical" rather than "non-biblical."  I see no such distinction here.   And let us not forget that all English words are approximations of the original language.    There are no holy English words. 
 
Lam 5:15 is the contrast of two life styles    -  one of rejoicing and joy  (the dance) and the other of sadness and dismay (mourning).   Psalms 30:11 speaks to this very way of life  -  of joy and happiness  --  dancing, if you will.   More than this,  Bill has given some very good comments, exegetical/biblcial  comments in past postings.  JD  
 

From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]

No JD, I know you are not referring to dancing in Church or the kind of worshipful dance David was
doing when Saul's daughter judged him in her heart.  Those kinds of dances have precedent in truth
The kind you, Lance, and Bill promote are nowhere to be seen in the Word of God and is some figment
of a 4th Century religious imagination.  judyt
 
On Sun, 03 Jul 2005 08:29:44 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Judy  -- do you think we speak of dancing church when we speak of the Great Dance? 
 
JD 
 

From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]

David danced as an act of worship and so did Miriam; I hardly see this "perichosis" in the same light
What are the Godhead worshipping one another?   
Do you dance in church 'G?"
 
 
On Sat, 2 Jul 2005 21:41:42 -0600 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Sat, 2 Jul 2005 13:02:28 -0400 Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
I know what the scriptures below mean ..I don't see what any of them have to do with a "dance"..
 
"..my feet are on the rock, my name is on the roll
but movin' and a-groovin' does not satisfy my soul
so when i'm down, i go up on my own
when i feel moved, i dance before the throne
(just like David).."
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

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