On Tue, 5 Jul 2005 15:02:37 -0400 "Lance Muir" <
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writes:
EVERY MAN, DAVID, IS IMPERFECT EVEN AFTER REDEMPTION ONLY THE
REDEEMER IS
PERFECT, DAVID. We participate in that which He, the second Adam
lived out
from conception to ascension on our behalf. Our 'imperfections' are
visible
to ourselves and to those about us, though redeemed.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave" <
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> Sent: July 05, 2005 14:24
> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus of the Bible
>
>
> > DAVEH: It seems to me that your below non-religious examples
are
> > illogical, DavidM. Let me give you an example. If I were
to ask
> you,
> > "Are you perfect before God?", you might answer from your
> perspective,
> > "Yes."
> >
> > If on the other hand, I were to ask God, "Is DavidM is
> perfect?", he
> > might view it differently.
> >
> > Do you see what I am getting at? If you ask the guy who
had
> the car
> > painted if it is perfect, while he may say "yes", the guy
painting
> the
> > car may have another contrasting perspective.
> >
> > God is not asking us if we are perfect, he is commanding
us
> to be
> > such. The question becomes what does perfection mean.
> Fortunately, he
> > qualifies it so that we don't have to worry about what or how
man
> has
> > defined perfection. As stated in Matthew, whatever
perfection
> there is
> > in God, that is how he commanded us to become.
> >
> > David Miller wrote:
> >
> > > Christianity has been enamored by Calvin's teachings
> > >and influence to portray every man as imperfect even
after
> redemption.
> > >
> > >Look at the word "perfect" in non-religious contexts.
Someone
> eats a
> really
> > >good hamburger. They exclaim, "That burger was perfect!
It
> could not
> have
> > >been made any better." Someone pays someone to paint
their car
> a
> certain
> > >color and has very exact requirements. He picks the car
up and
> the
> painter
> > >asks, "so, how do you like it?" The reply, "it is
perfect!"
> > >
> > >On and on, we can come up with examples like this where
we use
> the word
> > >perfect to mean that something is precisely according to
our
> hopes and
> > >expectations, but when it comes to our morality and our
walk with
> God,
> > >somehow the word "perfect" suddenly becomes taboo. Why,
nobody
> can claim
> > >that they truly walk without sinning against their
neighbor!
> This has
> more
> > >to do with our culture walking in apostasy toward God and
our
> desire to
> > >excuse that apostasy than any change in the language of
> Scripture. It
> has
> > >more to do with our departure from what the Word of God
teaches
> us about
> our
> > >completeness and perfection in Christ than with any
change in the
> meaning
> of
> > >the word "perfect."
> > >
> > >Peace be with you.
> > >David Miller.
> > >
