I could just let it go Christine but, I'd be doing a disservice to you and to the whole Miller family. I 'read' something other than the 'assurance' of 1Th 1:5 when I read both you and your Dad. IMO, some of what I 'hear' comes from the Lord and some from your redeemed/fallen nature. There's much of the 'old' Christine & David alive, well and, posting on TT. Wouldn't you agree?
----- Original Message ----- From: "Christine Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: July 08, 2005 15:49 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Works and the Book of James > 1Th 1:5 For our gospel came not unto you in word > only, but also in power, and in the Holy Ghost, and in > much ASSURANCE; as ye know what manner of men we were > among you for your sake. > > > --- Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Doncha just luv it when people communicate with such > > CERTAINTY? Damn! Reminds me of...well....ME! (I > > refer to Christine & Kevin) > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Kevin Deegan > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: July 08, 2005 14:50 > > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Works and the Book of > > James > > > > > > Be ye DOERS and NOT HEARERS only deceiving your > > own selves > > Same goes for TALKERS only > > > > > > > > Christine Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Lance, of course James does NOT disagree with > > Paul. The difference is, Paul teaches that Abraham's > > faith is counted for righteousness, while James > > actually tells us what faith is. Works without faith > > will lead you to hell (that's Paul) and James says > > that true faith will produce works. People were > > getting it all out of order. > > > > Mat 7:26 And every one that heareth these > > sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be > > likened unto a foolish man, which built his house > > upon the sand: > > > > Mat 7:27 And the rain descended, and the floods > > came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; > > and it fell: and great was the fall of it. > > > > > > Blessings > > > > Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > No, Judy. YOUR problem is this 'God inspires > > MY reading of Scripture thing'. However, you are in > > good company as Kevin, Linda and, David have the > > same 'problem'. > > > > As an aside: it just might be that James does > > disagree with Paul. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Judy Taylor > > To: [email protected] > > Cc: [email protected] > > Sent: July 08, 2005 09:08 > > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Works and the Book > > of James > > > > > > > > What for JD? Paul does not contradict James > > and James is not contradicting Paul. The > > contradiction is in your > > wide sweeping comprehension of this > > "incarnational" thing which is a doctrine of men > > rather than the Word > > of God. Just because the CofC misused God's > > Word does not mean we should throw out the parts > > they used > > to wound. Separate from them but hold fast > > to God's truth. > > > > On Fri, 08 Jul 2005 09:01:37 -0400 > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > I'm still waiting !! Jd > > > > From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > If all one is holding to is dead doctrine > > from some theologian - did they have salvation to > > begin with? One cannot > > lose what they never had to begin with. > > Jesus' Words are life giving - they will quicken > > your mortal body. jt > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > You really do not have the foggiest as > > to what James is talking about in his letter, do > > you? Prove me wrong !! Tell me, what are the > > works of justification in the book of James? At > > what point are we saved -- at the point of faith or > > at the point of works? If we stop "working" do we > > suddenly lose our salvation? What is the > > definition of "works" in James? Why does James > > NOT contradict Paul's statement in Romans 4 that we > > are saved by faith apart from works of law?" > > > > I'm waiting !!!! JD > > > > > > From: Judy Taylor > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > James wrote it (James 2:14-20) - I'm > > agreeing with the Word of God > > and yes I don't see much grace in dead > > faith - do you Kevin? judyt > > > > On Thu, 7 Jul 2005 20:56:27 -0700 > > (PDT) Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > writes: > > Faith w/o works is Dead.... > > Are you saying it is a DEAD FAITH? > > > > Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > It's JD's way of saying that you > > are a works/salvationist rather than what he calls > > grace > > But no worries Christine - you > > have lots of good company :) We all know that faith > > or > > what some call grace without works > > (corresponding actions) is DEAD. judyt > > > > On Thu, 7 Jul 2005 18:52:31 -0700 > > (PDT) Christine Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > writes: > > JD wrote: > > Christine, you are an excellent > > proponent of will worship. > > > > Thanks! What does that mean? > > > > > > Blessings > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Christine, you are an > > excellent proponent of will worship. > > > > Salute, Jd > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Christine Miller > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: > > [email protected] > > Sent: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 08:46:35 > > -0700 (PDT) > > Subject: [TruthTalk] Sermon > > outline > > > > > > I thank you all for your interest in my teaching. I > > gave this message Wednesday night to the youth group > > at my church, which is a group of 30 middle and high > > school kids. So, this might be sophmoric for you > > all, > > but here it is. :-) > > > > > > "Separating your Spirituality from Ordinary Life." > > > > To the seven Churches on Judgement Day: > > Rev. 2:2- "I know thy works" > > 2:9- "I know thy works" > > 2:13- "I know thy works" > > 2:19- "I know thy works" > > Etc. A pattern is developing here, namely, that on > > Judgement day, Jesus will give attention to our > > works. > > > > Another account of Judgement Day, in the Gospel: > > Mat. 7:21-23- > > Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, > > Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he > > that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. > > > > Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, > > Lord, > > have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name > > have cast out devils? and in thy name done many > > wonderful works? > > Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never > > knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. > > > > My first reaction to this passage, is to wonder at > > Jesus' choice of words here. "Ye that work > > iniquity?!" > > Jesus could have just left it at "I never knew you" > > and sent them to Hell. They worked miracles and cast > > out devils. I would not consider that working > > iniquity. There is something here, then, that I am > > not > > seeing. I am not seeing the whole picture as Jesus > > is > > attempting to show it. > > > > Mat. 25:31-46 > > This is where Jesus separates the sheep from the > > goats, and welcomes the sheep into everlasting life. > > The righteous respond by saying they did not > > remember > > > === message truncated === > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > Sell on Yahoo! Auctions - no fees. Bid on great items. > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > ---------- > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. 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